Russel M. Nelson comments on big bang theory and evolution

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hatersinmyward wrote:Krauss also stated that the universe is expanding from earth's perspective, and from the perspective of every other point in space(star, planet, etc..)

So If the Big Bang wasn't centralized and scientists cannot point us to the location in space where the big bang actually occurred, the big bang never happened.

The big bang theory might hold water if our part of the cosmos was all moving in the same direction, which it's not.


I'm just glad ignorance isn't contagious or I would have to wear a surgical mask and gloves to post here.
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gdemetz wrote:I am somewhat familiar with some of the latest concepts which seem to be ever evolving, such as the string theory, etc. However, I still stand by my statement.


Your stand seems to be backed up by Lavoisier's findings in the law of conservation of mass. As far as string theory goes, the largest ball of string is 19 ft. in circumference and is located Weston, Missouri. That means it is close to the Garden of Eden. :cool:
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Examples, Drifting?
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Equality wrote:
hatersinmyward wrote:Krauss also stated that the universe is expanding from earth's perspective, and from the perspective of every other point in space(star, planet, etc..)

So If the Big Bang wasn't centralized and scientists cannot point us to the location in space where the big bang actually occurred, the big bang never happened.

The big bang theory might hold water if our part of the cosmos was all moving in the same direction, which it's not.


I'm just glad ignorance isn't contagious or I would have to wear a surgical mask and gloves to post here.


All you've been doing is shooting people down, you haven't been siting any resources(text or video) That makes your opinion rather worthless wouldn't you say?
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hatersinmyward wrote:All you've been doing is shooting people down, you haven't been siting any resources(text or video) That makes your opinion rather worthless wouldn't you say?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPUutjtqfw&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHfUFljTmw&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRhVcTTMlrM&feature=related
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1. I've issued six CFRs on BC's claim that everything the Church publishes is doctrine.

2. BC cannot produce a statement from the Church to this effect. When pressed, however, he points to other texts that don't make this claim either.

3. When I bring up the contents of these other documents to demonstrate that they don't make the claim, BC doesn't respond.


All incorrect. The 2007 statement states exactly what the doctrine is; official publication (IRI is not mentioned anywhere as it relates to doctrine). What you're missing is the fact that the Church has not made a list of exceptions. However, disclaimers and context do exist, thus the only conclusion you can reach is that it's all doctrine unless otherwise specified.

Notice also that in order to teach the doctrine and to keep the doctrine pure (both titles to sections in Teaching, No Greater Call), the publications are also referenced, no exceptions given. This is the way the Church views it and it's also the way most members of the Church view, they only exceptions I've seen are some online. In addition, as I have already referrenced, all these publications are started to be the "voice of the Church".

There are only so many different ways to state it and so far it has proven impossible for detractors to come up with something different so I don't feel obligated to always remain in a discussion where they ignore the pertinent facts and where their agenda takes precedence over intellectual honesty.
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bcspace wrote:
All incorrect. The 2007 statement states exactly what the doctrine is; official publication (IRI is not mentioned anywhere as it relates to doctrine). What you're missing is the fact that the Church has not made a list of exceptions. However, disclaimers and context do exist, thus the only conclusion you can reach is that it's all doctrine unless otherwise specified.


Still unable to find an official publication without an IRI copyright?

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Still unable to find an official publication without an IRI copyright?


[taps the sign] "IRI is not mentioned anywhere as it relates to doctrine"

Still unable to find an SDH published by the Church?

Meaningless. IRI merely holds intellectual property doctrinal and none doctrinal. If everything ever published by the Church had the IRI stamp, it still wouldn't be a sign of doctrine because there are things not published by the Church also stamped by the IRI.
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Well from the 3rd link it seems the word "Universe" is simply not comprehended correctly by it's common definition.

I can see multiple universes as he explains, however then our universe isn't really a universe but more of a super cluster. Being that galaxies and various parts of known space are always expanding and contracting.

The real question seems to me is; Is it possible to create life in a lab using non bio mass that is found on earth? In theory it should be possible(if modern science and evolution is close enough to the mark)
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hatersinmyward wrote:Well from the 3rd link it seems the word "Universe" is simply not comprehended correctly by it's common definition.

I can see multiple universes as he explains, however then our universe isn't really a universe but more of a super cluster. Being that galaxies and various parts of known space are always expanding and contracting.

The real question seems to me is; Is it possible to create life in a lab using non bio mass that is found on earth? In theory it should be possible(if modern science and evolution is close enough to the mark)


Did you watch the hour-long presentation in the third link? From your comments here, it seems you still do not have any comprehension of the most basic cosmological concepts including, but not limited to, the Big Bang Theory. Your last question relates to abiogenesis, which is entirely different from the cosmological questions regarding the history of the universe.
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