Drifting wrote: Sadly, the order that I see most TBM members adhering to is: 1. Church 2. Church 3. Church 4. Some other stuff if I get the time.
And that is not the church's fault but the people who make such a decision. And these people would be the most critical, abusive exmos if they left the church. The exlds internet discussion forums are full of such people.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Darth J wrote: Apparently bcspace is not aware of the Church's full-time missionary program.
And this is optional too. If there is a family problem or work problem or a health problem no problem in not going on a mission. Going on a mission is a free choice decision.
Hmmm...
Not according to the Aaronic Priesthood lesson titled 'Every Young Man Should Serve A Mission'...
Emphasize that through his prophets the Lord has commanded us to serve missions. We cannot escape that obligation any more than we can be exempt from paying tithing or from keeping any other of the Lord’s commandments.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
I never saw the church leadership promoting family/jobs before church.
Did you ever hear them say, "Pay tithing if you have enough saved for retirement."
How about, "Magnify your callings if you have time."
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Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
the neglect of families due to time spent maintaining callings is excessive. If we eliminated shopping malls and actually paid folks for their tireless work within callings then I believe some other avenues will open up allotting for more time with the family. At this point, we have a fantastic guilt system suggesting if you do not spend all your time and money building the kingdom of God then you are going to be punished. Perhaps the punishment will be a tragic loss, guilt, feelings of depression and/or anxiety, a job loss, etc. But if you do not give all your time to building the kingdom, then if something bad happens in your life you only have yourself to blame. Fun.
zeezrom wrote:I never saw the church leadership promoting family/jobs before church.
Did you ever hear them say, "Pay tithing if you have enough saved for retirement."
How about, "Magnify your callings if you have time."
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Times have changed. The sad fact is: people have less free time these days. Between work becoming more time consuming and family time becoming more demanding and the idea that people must be occupied 24/7 has dented the time that one can spend with church things. How many people have enough free time to give to the family after a tiring day at work? And then the kids have a lot of hobbies occupying a lot Old Testament time during the week. One can magnify a calling when one has time to do so. But...no time...no magnifying.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Not according to the Aaronic Priesthood lesson titled 'Every Young Man Should Serve A Mission'...
Should is the key word. It doesn't say 'must'.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
It is that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.
Need we say more?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
I like your use of the Papal we. Exactly how many people have you so counseled and by what authority.
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
It is that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.
Need we say more?
Zee, I realize that you have me on ignore but you really must provide the reference. To place a quotation without quotation marks and then provide no reference is not a good way to post to such information.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith