The Mormon god is a narcissistic god

[_zeezrom]

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[_Albion]

Tobin makes a wild accusation that protestants who claim salvation do not live according to God's laws. Biblical salvation is based entirely on God's grace, a free gift because of his great love. If it can be earned it is neither a gift nor grace but then becomes an obligation on God's part...wages if you will. Of course protestants, those among them who are Christian believers, live according to God's purposes for their lives but such living is the demonstration of the saving grace that has taken place in their lives not a process to earn that salvation.

[_Tobin]

Tobin makes a wild accusation that protestants who claim salvation do not live according to God's laws. Biblical salvation is based entirely on God's grace, a free gift because of his great love. If it can be earned it is neither a gift nor grace but then becomes an obligation on God's part...wages if you will. Of course protestants, those among them who are Christian believers, live according to God's purposes for their lives but such living is the demonstration of the saving grace that has taken place in their lives not a process to earn that salvation.

You can protest you are saved all you wish. It does not make it so. The only test that matters is when you stand before the Lord and are judged of him. Just be aware:

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If you refuse to follow the Lord and acknowledge him today and know him not, I would be concerned if I were you.

[_Albion]

That's mighty judgemental of you since you know virtually nothing about me or my Christian walk and selecting a few verses without context doesn't in any way categorize my level of faith nor my commitment as I live it out.

[_Tobin]

That's mighty judgemental of you since you know virtually nothing about me or my Christian walk and selecting a few verses without context doesn't in any way categorize my level of faith nor my commitment as I live it out.

Yes, it is quite judgemental of me to state the Lord will judge you and to ask you to follow him. I have to wonder about supposed Christians that are offended by things like that. Also, claiming that something is taken out of context (without explaining how it was taken out of context or misinterpreted or even misquoted) is a stunt. I have offered a reasonable view of it. What have you to offer?

[_zeezrom]

Borrowed from the OP:

As an educated outside observer. my understanding of Athena is of one who loves all her friends so they could have opportunities available in this world. She knows they will make mistakes, and when they do, she still loves them equally. She doesn't compare them to one another setting them apart based on their level of goodness. She gives them guidance and hopes they will make the right choices. When they make bad choices, she is there to catch them and hold them close when they need her the most. She does not withhold her love to teach a lesson. She wants and expects her family to love and support one another but she doesn't demand it. She expects them to refrain from judging one another just as she does not judge their mistakes. In this world-view, life has obstacles but they are not of her making - she doesn't place tests and roadblocks in the way on purpose to see how her children react and to judge those reactions. She is there to love and support them over, around, and through those obstacles. In the end, they are all her friends and they will all be together with her away from these worldly challenges and obstacles. She sacrificed so that her friends would know they are loved but she doesn't expect more of them than they can possibly achieve as payback for that sacrifice. She wants them to live the best life they can and realizes that this is different for each individual. She treats her friends as adults who will use her teachings to make the best decisions available to them. The God of the Old Testament tried establishing lots of rules and commandments and he decided that approach didn't work. So she decided to provide a living example of expectations in Athena. She expects her friends to use her teachings and the stories of the ancient Greek's example as a guide for how to use their talents and abilities in a supportive, loving, and non-judgemental way that honors oneself and those around her. She loves each of her friends equally no matter how well they succeed in following that example. She hopes that by providing unconditional love and this loving example that her friends will love, honor, and respect her, but she doesn't demand it. She hopes that they will share that love with others and set their own example of loving support and guidance without judgment or expecting anything in return and that these examples will attract those who don't yet know of or understand his promise of unconditional love. She wants each of her friends to strive to be the best they can be so that they will be proud of themselves and what they accomplished in this life. In the end, all her friends will be loved and cared for together in peace in the next life.

[_Albion]

The context of the scripture you quote concerns those whose profession of faith is not supported by lives that reflect what they profess. You appear to know all about me, perhaps you can give specifics of my life that do not measure up to this standard. I accept fully that the spirit filled life is demonstrated by action but readily accept, too, that I have nothing, am nothing, worthy of God's grace and salvation and yet because of his amazing grace fully realized in his Son he offers full and complete forgiveness to a sinner such as me. To repeat an old saying. A dog does not bark to become a dog, it barks because it is a dog. Christians do good works not to become saved but because they are saved. I rest my case entirely on the sufficiency of Christ. Romans: 3:21-24. Romans 3: 20. Romans 4: 24. Romans 8:1-2. Romans: 10: 4. Romans 10: 8b- 9. Romans, a really good place to start if you want to understand Christian teaching.

[_Tobin]

The context of the scripture you quote concerns those whose profession of faith is not supported by lives that reflect what they profess. You appear to know all about me, perhaps you can give specifics of my life that do not measure up to this standard. I accept fully that the spirit filled life is demonstrated by action but readily accept, too, that I have nothing, am nothing, worthy of God's grace and salvation and yet because of his amazing grace fully realized in his Son he offers full and complete forgiveness to a sinner such as me. To repeat an old saying. A dog does not bark to become a dog, it barks because it is a dog. Christians do good works not to become saved but because they are saved. I rest my case entirely on the sufficiency of Christ. Romans: 3:21-24. Romans 3: 20. Romans 4: 24. Romans 8:1-2. Romans: 10: 4. Romans 10: 8b- 9. Romans, a really good place to start if you want to understand Christian teaching.

Clearly you can't read very well. I'll say it again, but I doubt you'll comprehend what I'm saying. The LORD will judge you and you should FOLLOW the LORD. And your understanding of Matthew is off. Let me quote it again for you so you can see your error:

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

See the underlined part? These claim to do many wonderful works in the name of God and not simply profess faith, but the Lord casts them aside. Let me help you understand that part. The reason they Lord rebukes them is because they don't really know the Lord even though they claim to. So, do you really know the Lord? Have you seen him? Have you spoken with him? If not, then maybe you should.

[_zeezrom]

Clearly you can't read very well. I'll say it again, but I doubt you'll comprehend what I'm saying...

Dear God, that sounds so much like MDD.

[_Hades]

Mormon god is a jackass. Amen.

I was so moved by the spirit from your testimony I shed a tear. Amen.