bcspace wrote:Most in the Church leadership want to excommunicate John Dehlin, Harry Reid, and the like just as fast as possible. However, the brethren have said in effect "be patient" and the rest of us follow their lead despite our contrary opinions.
When you say "Most in the Church leadership..." to whom are you referring and how do you know?
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Buffalo wrote:Are you suggesting that the methods used by LDS leaders amount to goonish behavior? Goodness.
'course not. I'm glad you are unwilling to answer my questions, in a way.
So did DCP say anything about an "essay" being alleged? Sleight of hand tricks seem to work best for those whose biases square with those of the trickster. I know you won't answer my question and you'll clearly whimper and whine about me. I love the bullying techniques. It says quite a lot to me.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
It's interesting to see Peterson and Hamblin in open rebellion against the church now.
Bill Hamblin wrote:Everyone needs to realize that Dehlin, by his own public admission, does not believe in God. He rejects Jesus and the Atonement, he believes Joseph Smith was a fraud and the Book of Mormon a forgery. He is, quite clearly, a MINO (Mormon in Name Only). This, of course, does not necessarily make him a bad person.
What is problematic are his claims that he is objective, unbiased, and simply wants to tell the truth. (Anyone who makes such claims should be immediately inherently suspect.) Dehlin's pretense to be a thoughtful Mormon who is simply searching for the truth and asking questions is simply preposterous. Undoubtedly it was true at one point years ago, but it is clearly no longer the case. He can, of course, believe whatever he wants to believe, and say what he wants to say. That's fine with me. But why the pretense? Why not just forthrightly and clearly say what he really believes?
But what is most disquieting is his recent attempt to suppress and censor the publication of an article that is critical of his activities. His behavior in this regard is absolutely shocking. This is, quite simply, reprehensible and utter hypocritical. I object in the strongest way possible to this type of censorship. And anti-Mormons do it all the time. Signature Books tried to sue FARMS. They did it to Schryver, and Dehlin doing it again. Why does he object to the publication of an article, even if it is fundamentally flawed or completely wrong-headed. Let it be published and respond to it. If Dehlin has any intellectual integrity, he would not engage in this type of censorship. It is both immoral, pointless, and counter-productive. After all, its going to come out on the web eventually, no doubt with a lengthy appendix explaining how Dehlin tried to censor it.
(He is also woefully ignorant on very basic issues regarding Church history and the Book of Mormon as many of his podcasts amply demonstrate--but that is a different matter.)
At any rate, I'm off to Ireland for a month. I simply want to make a strong public stand against such behavior before I go.
I wonder when they'll be officially registering FAIR as its own church.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:Are you suggesting that the methods used by LDS leaders amount to goonish behavior? Goodness.
'course not. I'm glad you are unwilling to answer my questions, in a way.
So did DCP say anything about an "essay" being alleged? Sleight of hand tricks seem to work best for those whose biases square with those of the trickster. I know you won't answer my question and you'll clearly whimper and whine about me. I love the bullying techniques. It says quite a lot to me.
Yes he did, but you knew that.
So I'm not being goonish? Glad you've changed your tune. :)
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
So I'm not being goonish? Glad you've changed your tune. :)
Wow, I"m surprised you're going this route, Buffalo. But its good you finally answered this. So to quote Peterson, "...about an alleged "smear" or "hit piece" that not a single one of them has even laid eyes on"
You are on record as saying Peterson is calling an "essay" alleged?
As to goonish. Sure. I think its goonish behavior to attempt to use methods you otherwise oppose and bellyache about in order to attempt to put down another. But that is just me. Take whatever tact you enjoy most. No probs.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
So I'm not being goonish? Glad you've changed your tune. :)
Wow, I"m surprised you're going this route, Buffalo. But its good you finally answered this. So to quote Peterson, "...about an alleged "smear" or "hit piece" that not a single one of them has even laid eyes on"
You are on record as saying Peterson is calling an "essay" alleged?
As to goonish. Sure. I think its goonish behavior to attempt to use methods you otherwise oppose and bellyache about in order to attempt to put down another. But that is just me. Take whatever tact you enjoy most. No probs.
Your reading comprehension is at about the same level as your ability to keep your story straight about what is goonish or not. Love ya tons, Stem!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote: Your reading comprehension is at about the same level as your ability to keep your story straight about what is goonish or not. Love ya tons, Stem!
Okay. since you're going to play this game. Let's go here. Where did Daniel us the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to this whole affair?
Does the game Buffalo is playing stop here? I guess we'll see.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Yahoo Bot wrote:Well, the words Rollo attributes to me are not mine.
I stand corrected. The thread was started by Bob, but the phrase I referenced was actually written by Schryver. My apologies.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Buffalo wrote: Your reading comprehension is at about the same level as your ability to keep your story straight about what is goonish or not. Love ya tons, Stem!
Okay. since you're going to play this game. Let's go here. Where did Daniel us the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to this whole affair?
Does the game Buffalo is playing stop here? I guess we'll see.
I don't follow.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.