Chaldea or Chaldaea was a marshy land located in modern-day southern Iraq which came to rule Babylon briefly. Tribes of settlers who arrived in the region from the 8th Century BC became known as the Chaldeans or the Chaldees. The Hebrew Bible uses the term כשדים (Kaśdim) and this is translated as Chaldaeans in the Septuagint.
The short-lived 11th dynasty of the Kings of Babylon (6th century BC) is conventionally known to historians as the Chaldean Dynasty, although only the first four rulers of this dynasty were known to be Chaldeans, and the last ruler was known not to be. Their kingdom in the southern portion of Babylonia lay chiefly on the right bank of the Euphrates. Though the name came to be commonly used to refer to the whole of southern Mesopotamia, Chaldea proper was in fact the vast plain in the far south east formed by the deposits of the Euphrates and the Tigris, extending to about four hundred miles along the course of these rivers, and about a hundred miles in average width.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:Did you miss the constant exhortations in the Old Testament trying to get people to stop sacrificing their Children to Moloch? In any case, see The Better Angles of Our Nature by Steven Pinker, p.134
Again ,by your own admission, human sacrifice was occuring in this region. We aren't talking about events in Egypt.
Buffalo wrote:I'm sorry, who was trying to sacrifice Abraham again? It wasn't a Canaanite or a Hebrew. Should I give you a hint?
1) You admit that human sacrifice was common in that region. 2) Adoption of other Gods was also common, in this case the Egyptian Gods. 3) It isn't a stretch to find a combination of many practices in keeping with the traditions of the region. 4) And Abraham, according to the Bible, was aware of the practice.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
The Chaldeans didn't sprout of the mud. Tribes and people migrated and were driven from region to region. The idea that the Chaldeans just suddenly appeared out of nowhere (from what population base?) and established a dynasty is simply ridiculous. They came from somewhere. If you spent any time examining this, you'd realize that the most likely hypothesis is the Kassites (and Kaldu). Regurgitating the same poor assumptions and unfiltered ideas does not impress me in the slightest.
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"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:1) You admit that human sacrifice was common in that region. 2) Adoption of other Gods was also common, in this case the Egyptian Gods. 3) It isn't a stretch to find a combination of many practices in keeping with the traditions of the region. 4) And Abraham, according to the Bible, was aware of the practice.
The region? Egypt is not in the region I was discussing. Human sacrifice was practiced by Hebrews and Phoenicians, not by the Egyptians at this point in time.
If you're attempting to create a chain of possibilities out of thin air, I'll save you the trouble. I'm not interested. Where is your evidence?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
The Chaldeans didn't sprout of the mud. Tribes and people migrated and were driven from region to region. The idea that the Chaldeans just suddenly appeared out of nowhere (from what population base?) and established a dynasty is simply ridiculous. They came from somewhere. If you spent any time examining this, you'd realize that they most like hypothesis is the Kassites (and Kaldu). Regurgitating the same poor assumptions and unflitered ideas does not impress me in the slightest.
No, they immigrated to the region, and colonized it.
It would be like Columbus referring to Canadians. An anachronism. There was no such thing at the time. The ancestors of the Canadians were extant, but they were not called Canadians in Columbus' day.
Really, I shouldn't have to spell this out for you.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Tobin wrote:1) You admit that human sacrifice was common in that region. 2) Adoption of other Gods was also common, in this case the Egyptian Gods. 3) It isn't a stretch to find a combination of many practices in keeping with the traditions of the region. 4) And Abraham, according to the Bible, was aware of the practice.
The region? Egypt is not in the region I was discussing. Human sacrifice was practiced by Hebrews and Phoenicians, not by the Egyptians at this point in time. If you're attempting to create a chain of possibilities out of thin air, I'll save you the trouble. I'm not interested. Where is your evidence?
Wow. Really Buffalo? Let me ask you a simple question then. Do you believe Ur of Chaldees was in Egypt?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Buffalo wrote:No, they immigrated to the region, and colonized it. It would be like Columbus referring to Canadians. An anachronism. There was no such thing at the time. The ancestors of the Canadians were extant, but they were not called Canadians in Columbus' day. Really, I shouldn't have to spell this out for you.
Wow, progress. Now we are getting somewhere. Now, when was the Book of Abraham written by Joseph Smith? Before or after the Chaldeans settled in Mesopotamia? And how should we properly name the progenitors of the Chaldeans? Would you accept the Book of Abraham if Joseph Smith had called them the forefathers of the Chaldeans? It didn't seem the Jewish scholars felt a need to and many Christians seem to accept the Bible just fine and even believe in it.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Buffalo wrote:No, they immigrated to the region, and colonized it. It would be like Columbus referring to Canadians. An anachronism. There was no such thing at the time. The ancestors of the Canadians were extant, but they were not called Canadians in Columbus' day. Really, I shouldn't have to spell this out for you.
Wow, progress. Now we are getting somewhere. Now, when was the Book of Abraham written by Joseph Smith? Before or after the Chaldeans settled in Mesopotamia? And how should we properly name the progenitors of the Chaldeans? Would you accept the Book of Abraham if Joseph Smith had called them the forefathers of the Chaldeans? It didn't seem the Jewish scholars felt a need to and many Christians seem to accept the Bible just fine and even believe in it.
So it would be appropriate for someone, in translating the journals of Columbus, to translate his references to the Inglesi and Francese as Canadese?
Hilarious!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
