MD&D thread on John Dehlin

[_stemelbow]

I don't follow.

I thought so.

Here I'll repeat, "Where did Daniel use the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to any writings about Dehlin?"

You have accused me of lying here. I didn't lie, But when I asked you if DCP used the term "essay" you said yes. Where did he use it? I don't see it. He questioned the existence of a hit piece or smear, not essay, it seems to me. So what you got, Buffalo?

[_stemelbow]

Stem 2.0 is a slightly more literate liar whose comments are getting increasingly vicious and duplicitous.

Show me a lie I've stated. I'll consider your thoughts here. Of course to be labeled a liar one must have lied more than once. So what ya got? I believe I've engaged you when you get all vicious and accusatory in the past and you usually fade away. We'll see, I guess.

[_Buffalo]

I don't follow.

I thought so.

Here I'll repeat, "Where did Daniel use the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to any writings about Dehlin?"

You have accused me of lying here. I didn't lie, But when I asked you if DCP used the term "essay" you said yes. Where did he use it? I don't see it. He questioned the existence of a hit piece or smear, not essay, it seems to me. So what you got, Buffalo?

Could you please quote the conversation in question? I believe you were asking whether or not "alleged" referred to the hit piece.

[_Stormy Waters]

At this point hasn't the damage that would have been caused by releasing this 'hit piece' already been done?
The way defenders of the church describe someone as mild as John Dehlin, in my opinion is a damning statement about the LDS church. Is it any wonder that some call this church a cult?

[_stemelbow]

Could you please quote the conversation in question? I believe you were asking whether or not "alleged" referred to the hit piece.

hey Buffalo, the conversation occurred just a few posts up from this. You were in the middle of it.

I asked: "So did DCP say anything about an "essay" being alleged?"

You answered: "Yes he did, but you knew that."

I persisted and you played dumb for some reason. Here:

I asked again: "Where did Daniel use the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to this whole affair? "

You responded: "I don't follow"

I pressed again:

"Where did Daniel use the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to any writings about Dehlin?"

Now you say, "Could you please quote the conversation in question? I believe you were asking whether or not "alleged" referred to the hit piece."

That's the sum of it. Very short, very direct. To try and weasel out of it now, will probably work for your buddies, but its pretty obvious, you've been caught...again. Again I know it won't mean anything to anyone here, but it's interesting you'll try to weasel out of things like this--considering your many accusations and attacks on others (which includes me).

[_Buffalo]

Could you please quote the conversation in question? I believe you were asking whether or not "alleged" referred to the hit piece.

hey Buffalo, the conversation occurred just a few posts up from this. You were in the middle of it.

I asked: "So did DCP say anything about an "essay" being alleged?"

You answered: "Yes he did, but you knew that."

I persisted and you played dumb for some reason. Here:

I asked again: "Where did Daniel use the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to this whole affair? "

You responded: "I don't follow"

I pressed again:

"Where did Daniel use the term "essay", or anything like it, if you like, when referring to any writings about Dehlin?"

Now you say, "Could you please quote the conversation in question? I believe you were asking whether or not "alleged" referred to the hit piece."

That's the sum of it. Very short, very direct. To try and weasel out of it now, will probably work for your buddies, but its pretty obvious, you've been caught...again. Again I know it won't mean anything to anyone here, but it's interesting you'll try to weasel out of things like this--considering your many accusations and attacks on others (which includes me).

What exactly is it do you think you've caught me in, Stem?

This strikes me as a rather dyslexic attempt at a trap.

The question was whether or not DCP referred to the essay as "alleged." Clearly the answer is yes.

[_stemelbow]

What exactly is it do you think you've caught me in, Stem?

This strikes me as a rather dyslexic attempt at a trap.

I'll spell it out for possible interested readers, which there are none so don't worry, since you're being obtuse.

John Dehlin claimed DCP suggested any concept of an "essay" was alleged in his blog post. DCP did not claim as much. I called John on it and he did not respond, but you did with resentment, in fact, saying I'm a liar. I laughed a bit and asked you in the other thread if DCP used the term "essay" as John alleged. You didn't answer my question but intimated that DCP was doing as John suggested, so I pressed. You quibbled about me or other thigns instead, while calling me a liar. So I brought it up here and the same has occurred.

Dehlin was clearly being dishonest when he tried to represent DCP"s point. Dehlin, to his credit, said he was angry and he apologized. I figure his dishonesty was a result of his frustration so I was intent on dropping it, but your liar attack continued so I pressed you some more. And what did you do? Acted dumb, played around. Tried to take your foot out of your mouth, after the fact, by putting quotes around the word "alleged", asked me to quote the conversation that took place in the preceding message just above your last. And now you try to come off as playful. Don't worry, it won't hurt your cred here. They all love that kind of behavior. I"m just clarifying for all others reading.

[_Buffalo]

What exactly is it do you think you've caught me in, Stem?

This strikes me as a rather dyslexic attempt at a trap.

I'll spell it out for possible interested readers, which there are none so don't worry, since you're being obtuse.

John Dehlin claimed DCP suggested any concept of an "essay" was alleged in his blog post. DCP did not claim as much. I called John on it and he did not respond, but you did with resentment, in fact, saying I'm a liar. I laughed a bit and asked you in the other thread if DCP used the term "essay" as John alleged. You didn't answer my question but intimated that DCP was doing as John suggested, so I pressed. You quibbled about me or other thigns instead, while calling me a liar. So I brought it up here and the same has occurred.

Dehlin was clearly being dishonest when he tried to represent DCP"s point. Dehlin, to his credit, said he was angry and he apologized. I figure his dishonesty was a result of his frustration so I was intent on dropping it, but your liar attack continued so I pressed you some more. And what did you do? Acted dumb, played around. Tried to take your foot out of your mouth, after the fact, by putting quotes around the word "alleged", asked me to quote the conversation that took place in the preceding message just above your last. And now you try to come off as playful. Don't worry, it won't hurt your cred here. They all love that kind of behavior. I"m just clarifying for all others reading.

Good god stem, are you kidding? You're not this dense, are you? This issue is whether or not DCP referred to the essay (or hit piece or article - doesn't matter) as alleged. Which he did. Whichever synonym was used for "article" is completely irrelevant.

Good God.

[_stemelbow]

Good god stem, are you kidding? You're not this dense, are you? This issue is whether or not DCP referred to the essay (or hit piece or article - doesn't matter) as alleged. Which he did. Whichever synonym was used for "article" is completely irrelevant.

Good God.

Sorry to say, Buffalo, you are posting many irrelevancies. John switched up the intent of DCP a bit in his efforts. I know you won't see that as dishonest because, hey, he's on your side, at least in your mind. John mocked DCP for saying an "essay" was alleged. That is not what DCP did. I questioned John and you got all ornery. When pressed, you've been dissembling ever since. You know, I was accused of the very thing you are doing. John complained yesterday that its typical that apologists dissemble. Yet, what do you do? The very thing he complained about. You are the one who started complaining I am a liar based on this matter. I'm merely proving you wrong.

Now, in some effort to sound credible, for whatever reason, you are playing dumb, and acting as though the whole issue doesn't matter at all anyway. But, for it, I am the liar. Shoot. This is pathetic.

[_Buffalo]

Good god stem, are you kidding? You're not this dense, are you? This issue is whether or not DCP referred to the essay (or hit piece or article - doesn't matter) as alleged. Which he did. Whichever synonym was used for "article" is completely irrelevant.

Good God.

Sorry to say, Buffalo, you are posting many irrelevancies. John switched up the intent of DCP a bit in his efforts. I know you won't see that as dishonest because, hey, he's on your side, at least in your mind. John mocked DCP for saying an "essay" was alleged. That is not what DCP did. I questioned John and you got all ornery. When pressed, you've been dissembling ever since. You know, I was accused of the very thing you are doing. John complained yesterday that its typical that apologists dissemble. Yet, what do you do? The very thing he complained about. You are the one who started complaining I am a liar based on this matter. I'm merely proving you wrong.

Now, in some effort to sound credible, for whatever reason, you are playing dumb, and acting as though the whole issue doesn't matter at all anyway. But, for it, I am the liar. Shoot. This is pathetic.

That's exactly what DCP did, Stem. You quibbling about whether the term essay was used is sad and dishonest.

Go ahead and quote DCP's comment again, full text. I triple dog dare you!