From My Informant: Was Bokovoy Blackballed at BYU?

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From My Informant: Was Bokovoy Blackballed at BYU?

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This thread has been a long time in the making. A few weeks ago, I received an "update" from one of my long-standing and most helpful tipsters concerning the much-loved David Bokovoy, and after digging around a bit, I've been able to (I believe) confirm that the "intel" is largely true.

But first, let's examine something that David himself recently said on the board. Some here may remember that I started a thread in April entitled, "From My Informant: Stormy Weather Ahead for Brant Gardner?" in which I speculated that Bokovoy could potentially have been tapped to pen an aggressive critique of Gardner's work. Well, this speculation turned out to be misguided as Bokovoy himself appeared to clarify. I went ahead and asked him whether or not he had been hired to teach at BYU, and this was his response:

Enuma Elish wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:How are things going for you these days, by the way? Did you wind up getting hired at BYU?



This is my final semester teaching at BYU. It's been a great experience. I loved the students, but I'm moving in a different direction.

Best,

--DB


Though I had asked him this, the truth is that I already knew the answer, because I had been told early in 2010 that Bokovoy would never, ever teach at BYU. In January of 2010, I received a pair of PMs that neatly explained the reasons behind this. At that time, of course, Bokovoy was something of an "insider," as most here will recall. He was still subject to criticism from Kevin Graham, and he often put up stout, apologetic defenses of the Church at MAD/MDD. He also tended to reference his own experience in CES as a means of establishing his authority. As I was told by an "informant," though, his confidence in his "insider" status was extremely misguided:

Agent D wrote:[Bokovoy] obviously believes that he is an “insider.” Nothing could be further from the truth. [He has a] deteriorating status in the eyes of the real [people in power]...


When I inquired further into this, I was given an account that was simultaneously intriguing and very trouble. This informant explained to me that Bokovoy was warned by people at the Maxwell Institute to avoid studying Hebrew Bible; the "Powers that Be" were apparently worried that scholarly study in this field would undermine his testimony. He ignored this advice, though, and went off to Brandeis, where he came under the tutelage of the well-known apostate, David P. Wright. Obviously, this would have raised enormous amounts of suspicion amongs the paranoid Maxwell Institute "Old Guard," who would fear that Wright would be privately scheming to destroy Bokovoy's testimony.

My informant went on to elaborate further:

[U]nbeknownst to him, people have been watching him very, very closely. Even his participation on message boards is being monitored. That’s why he will never, in a million years, work at BYU. He just doesn’t know it yet.


Now, bear in mind that I learned this information in January of 2010. Cut to two weeks ago, when Bokovoy clarifies that, indeed, he has been working at BYU, but he will not continue at BYU. Why, one wonders, was this the case? Was my informant correct? Bokovoy is clearly an effective scholar, having published in some of the top journals in his field. So why would BYU be cutting him loose? By his own description, it seemed as if BYU had simply decided not to hire him.

It turns out things were more complicated then that. Thanks to a variety of sources, I've been able to learn that Bokovoy was effectively blackballed by "Old Guard" forces connected to the Maxwell Institute--people who dislike the "Vanguard" generation of younger Mopologists--people who absolutely cannot tolerate any notion of orthodoxy other than their own.

According to my source, Bokovoy was excluded for precisely the reasons listed above: because of his connection to David Wright, and also because of his somewhat "NOM"-ish views on things like the Book of Abraham, anachronisms in the Book of Mormon, and so forth.

What is most disturbing, however, is this:

Agent C wrote:Some of the higher-up old guard of the [Maxwell Institute had] one or more people to do an extensive review of Bokovoy's [Internet] posts and prepared some kind of summarized listing....that supposedly demonstrated "what Bokovoy really thinks."


So they supposedly put together a "creepy dossier" on Bokovoy as a means of blackballing him. But there is yet another, even more upsetting detail. Per my informant, rumors are circulating that Bokovoy was summoned to a meeting in front of the entire BYU Religion Department, and he was grilled for over an hour by the faculty, who relied on this "creepy dossier" to formulate their questions. It's as if the Maxwell Institute has its own, private, special brand of the SCMC within its ranks.

In any case, I thought this was both very powerfully sad, and incredibly disturbing. As always, I advise readers to treat this with skepticism. Hopefully some kind of confirmation or denial will be forthcoming.
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I really hope that, for David's sake, this isn't true, and I am very saddened if it is.

Scratch--Does your informant know if DCP was part of the committee, or, was, in any way influencial as to David's "blackballing"?

Also, do you know what David's plans are? I certainly hope that he has secured an even better opportunity where he can share his talents.

He is a wonderful person, and this is a supreme loss for BYU, in my opinion.
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This really bums me out. David Bokovoy is one of the finest LDS people I have encountered on the boards. I admire him greatly. He is the kind of person who makes me feel like I could actually go back to Church again. Seeing him dealt with in such a manner is disheartening to say the least.

I can't wait for a changing of the guard.
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liz3564 wrote:I really hope that, for David's sake, this isn't true, and I am very saddened if it is.

Scratch--Does your informant know if DCP was part of the committee, or, was, in any way influencial as to David's "blackballing"?

Also, do you know what David's plans are? I certainly hope that he has secured an even better opportunity where he can share his talents.

He is a wonderful person, and this is a supreme loss for BYU, in my opinion.


Hi, Liz. No, unfortunately, I don't have a clear answer to any of your questions. The impression I was given was simply that there were forces amongst the "Old Guard" of the Maxwell Institute who had a grudge against Bokovoy, and they were the ones who sought to blackball him. I seem to recall David saying that he viewed DCP as a "friend" (they ate barbecue together, If I recall correctly, and I'm quite certain that Bokovoy has spoken fondly of him), so I'm inclined to doubt that he had anything to do with this. But stranger things have happened, so who knows?
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Re: From My Informant: Was Bokovoy Blackballed at BYU?

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liz3564 wrote:I really hope that, for David's sake, this isn't true, and I am very saddened if it is.


Liz, I will tell you that I have a source separate from Scratch's who was very close to these events. Although this source's information was not so detailed, the overall thrust of it was not substantially different from what you see above. Also, I know from yet another source that it was quite an emotional day for David, which he nevertheless dealt with in the same classy way he approaches most everything else.

I think it reflects very poorly on BYU that they decided to pass on David as faculty member. On the other hand, I am happy he does not have to spend his days working with the kind of people who do not value a gentleman such as he.
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Kishkumen wrote:This really bums me out. David Bokovoy is one of the finest LDS people I have encountered on the boards. I admire him greatly. He is the kind of person who makes me feel like I could actually go back to Church again. Seeing him dealt with in such a manner is disheartening to say the least.

I can't wait for a changing of the guard.


I have to say that I completely agree. Of course, I could never "go back to Church again" unless I somehow started believing in God (and who knows? stranger things have happened). Nevertheless, scholars like Bokovy represent the possibility for a future Mormonism that draws on its greatest strengths and promises. And I think that would be a very good thing, both for the legions of decent people who are currently members, and also for the memory of all those who contributed their lives and talents to building of Zion throughout its history.
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Blixa wrote:Nevertheless, scholars like Bokovoy represent the possibility for a future Mormonism that draws on its greatest strengths and promises. And I think that would be a very good thing, both for the legions of decent people who are currently members, and also for the memory of all those who contributed their lives and talents to building of Zion throughout its history.


Very well said, as usual, Blixa.

I think someone needs to fund a McMurrin Chair of Mormon Culture for you at Cassius University.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
liz3564 wrote:I really hope that, for David's sake, this isn't true, and I am very saddened if it is.

Scratch--Does your informant know if DCP was part of the committee, or, was, in any way influencial as to David's "blackballing"?

Also, do you know what David's plans are? I certainly hope that he has secured an even better opportunity where he can share his talents.

He is a wonderful person, and this is a supreme loss for BYU, in my opinion.


Hi, Liz. No, unfortunately, I don't have a clear answer to any of your questions. The impression I was given was simply that there were forces amongst the "Old Guard" of the Maxwell Institute who had a grudge against Bokovoy, and they were the ones who sought to blackball him. I seem to recall David saying that he viewed DCP as a "friend" (they ate barbecue together, If I recall correctly, and I'm quite certain that Bokovoy has spoken fondly of him), so I'm inclined to doubt that he had anything to do with this. But stranger things have happened, so who knows?

That is why I really doubted that DCP, at least, had anything to do with this. Dan has also always spoken very highly of David. I have a feeling that he was probably just as sad about all of this.

I know that David mentioned something on Facebook about being able to focus more on his writing with his future endeavors, so that is a good thing, at least.

That is probably why, as Kish mentioned, in David's "gentlemanly way", he basically made it sound like it was his choice to leave.

*sigh*

As far as I am concerned, BYU doesn't deserve David. I hope he flourishes in his career, whatever he decides to do. He deserves it.
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In any case, I thought this was both very powerfully sad, and incredibly disturbing. As always, I advise readers to treat this with skepticism. Hopefully some kind of confirmation or denial will be forthcoming.


I see no reason to treat this with skepticism. In fact there are at least a few good reasons not to:

1) We already know your informant is reliable. He was the one who blew the whistle about Maxwell's rejection of Schryver's publication, before any official announcement from the relevant parties had been made.

2) This is pretty much what all of us expect from these guys. They're a bunch of jackasses who have no credibility in academia outside their own little Provo circle and they want to make sure any future hires are not potential embarrassments to their little organization.

3) I have my own reliable source and she pretty much told me the same story above. There are actually more details that could be said about this that reflect poorly on that department, but I'm not going to divulge more information without David's permission.

One thing is for certain. Dan and Bill's argument that BYU scholars enjoy full academic freedom, has just taken a huge credibility blow to the gut. His job as a professional apologist and anti-truth propagandist, in convincing us that BYU scholars are free to think and believe as they choose, has just become much harder.

Remember folks, when David Bokovoy was published by the Journal of Biblical Literature (a remarkable accomplishment for a scholar his age), it was Dan Peterson who trotted his scholarly accomplishment online and said to Bill Hamblin, and I quote, "it looks like our investment in David is paying off."

But that was before Bokovoy made it clear he was going to be a very different kind of LDS scholar. David Wright had rubbed off on him in a way they never expected. Turns out, David Bokovoy was actually a good hearted person who desired to build bridges with former members. He showed an amazing love for people, no matter what their religious background. That, quite simply, is not tolerated by some folks at BYU looking to protect the flock. If you want to walk in their footsteps and climb the career ladder at BYU, well then you better prove to them you're just as unscholarly and nasty as they are. You have to show how them how badly you want this job. You have to prove to them how far you're willing to go in abandoning your moral sensibilities, for the sake of defending the Church.

This proves once and for all that BYU scholars are apologists first and foremost. Scholarship is just something they try do on the side, just to keep up appearances. That is, if they can take time out of their apostate-stalking activities, to actually produce scholarly literature on Islam or Egyptology. Just look at the CV of Dan Peterson and John Gee. Virtually everything they produce in print is apologetic in nature.

David is better off going somewhere else. He made it clear a while ago that he wants out of apologetics. This means he actually has a shot at becoming a great scholar.
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liz3564 wrote:That is probably why, as Kish mentioned, in David's "gentlemanly way", he basically made it sound like it was his choice to leave.


I am pretty sure that it was his choice inasmuch as following his conscience and preferred educational path landed him outside of the BYU faculty. David's problem is partly that he is open minded enough not to think it matters whether the Book of Abraham is a literal ancient text so long as Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. He and I are closely united in that belief.

Unfortunately, it has seemed like many influential apologists would rather argue that it is a document of somewhat erroneous ideas dating to the Hellenistic Period than see it as a 19th century revelation of more profound and divinely bestowed teachings. I guess the miracle of restoring the ancient text is more important than the teachings therein. I wish that were surprising.

liz3564 wrote:As far as I am concerned, BYU doesn't deserve David. I hope he flourishes in his career, whatever he decides to do. He deserves it.


The people who have been dealt with worst in this decision were David's prospective students. He would have been a master in the classroom, and he would have faithfully taught a rising generation of young LDS people who would have blossomed in their testimonies, not withered. Certain old cranks didn't trust that, and it is a dark mark against them.

Understand that my biting tone here is my own. David has remained upbeat and positive in the very brief communications I have had with him.
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