Mormonaphobe

[_zeezrom]

Hello Jskains,

I don't know you but it seems you have anger issues. Might you take a moment to enjoy the sunshine today? Spring is a great time of year to go on walks. Might you consider it?

Zee.

[_Darth J]

When people disagree with homosexuality, the normal liberal tactic (right out of Rules for Radicals) is to run to namecalling. The common term is homophobe. Certainly if I don't agree with gay marriage, it must be because I FEAR homosexuals.

So here is my new word for the members of this board. Mormonaphobes.

Now I admit that you folks worked harder than I did to earn homophobe. I simply disagree with SSM. However, you folks mock the Church, accuse the Church of horrible things, lie, character assassinate, and generally spew uglies at anything Mormon.

So there it is. My contribution to Internet LDS terminology. Mormonaphobes.

JMS

Let's see.

Lead counsel for the plaintiffs in Perry v. Schwarzenegger (sub nomine Perry v. Brown on appeal) was Theodore Olson, who is a well-known conservative.

There is in fact such a thing as a gay person who is politically conservative.

There are believing Mormons who are in favor of same-sex marriage.

I think it was very thoughtful for Josh to post his OP. Some people reading the board may not have understood the non sequitur fallacy, so it was nice for Josh to provide this demonstration.

P.S. Josh, have you ever had a couple of 20 year-old boys knock on your door and invite you to learn more about being gay?

[_Kishkumen]

Hello Jskains,

I don't know you but it seems you have anger issues. Might you take a moment to enjoy the sunshine today? Spring is a great time of year to go on walks. Might you consider it?

Zee.

The thing you have to understand about Josh is that he's a big kidder. A lot of people don't pick up on that and they become Skainsaphobes.

[_Daniel2]

isn't "fear of" the main ingredient of *phobe?

I don't know if you fear SSA, but I do know I don't fear Mormonism ... born and raised in it.

Shut up, Mormonaphobe! :)

(That's usually the gist of most SSM conversations - Just shut them up with the word homophobe).

JMS

Can you point to some examples of this type of exchange, Jaskins?

Daniel

[_RockSlider]

(That's usually the gist of most SSM conversations - Just shut them up with the word homophobe).

Having been raised Mormon (born in the 50's), I'd suggest that society at that time was generally homophobic. The Church (Christianity in general) instilled fear of it.

don't look back!

One Good Man

[_Darth J]

To be fair to Josh, I can see the reasonableness of his position.

After all, Bronze Age Hebrews thought homosexuality was icky, so they told stories about how their tribal god wanted people who do gay stuff to be stoned. And a Yankee con man from New York picked up on that mythology, and a corporate gerontocracy in Utah in turn picked up on that.

So his moral indignation at gay people being treated fairly has a rich and well-founded pedigree.

[_krose]

The problem here is a basic misunderstanding of the word. It reminds me of the people who say "I'm not apologizing for anything" when called an apologist.

The -phobe suffix can mean fear, but it also means dislike. It's the opposite of the suffix -phile. A xenophobe isn't afraid of foreigners; he just dislikes them. A Francophobe isn't afraid of French people and culture; he merely dislikes all things French (as opposed to a Francophile, who really likes them). The prefixes pro- and anti- work the same way, and since Mormons have already embraced the anti- prefix with such gusto, your word coinage is entirely redundant.

In short, the word homophobe was never intended to convey fear of gays, but dislike or aversion. It's the opposite of a homophile, who likes and supports them. So I'll tell you where you can put your "Rules for Radicals" nonsense... well, I think you already know.

[_jskains]

So his moral indignation at gay people being treated fairly has a rich and well-founded pedigree.

Typical liberal reaction.

JMS

[_RockSlider]

krose,

Sorry for the misuse. Sounds like I need a new word to describe it then.

Saying that the way I was raised in regards to SSA was "dislike" would be like saying the KKK disliked blacks. The only difference really being the possibility that I could become (or be accused of becoming) gay, and become the target of societies hate.

It was all about fear.

But of course in the case of Kish's new word ... I concede your point.

[_krose]

krose,

Sorry for the misuse. Sounds like I need a new word to describe it then.

Saying that the way I was raised in regards to SSA was "dislike" would be like saying the KKK disliked blacks. The only difference really being the possibility that I could become (or be accused of becoming) gay, and become the target of societies hate.

It was all about fear.

The interesting thing is that there really are people for whom the "fear" meaning works quite well, whether fear of their own sexuality (as Daniel said), fear of being turned, or fear of some murky threat they can't quite define.

And I think there is probably fear involved in most situations of hate, so I don't think there is a big problem with what you're saying. I do think "aversion" is pretty accurate.