Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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KevinSim wrote:
bcspace wrote:Because Democrats are in opposition to critical LDS doctrines.

The LDS Church has come out and explicitly said that they are not in opposition to them.


The LDS church should come out and explicitly declare that
- as a worldwide church, doesn't handle local (US, Utahn, SLC) issues
- as a church, doesn't handle nonreligious issues (around the world)
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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bcspace wrote:
bcspace, why do you maintain this ridiculous notion that good Mormons can't be democrats?


Because Democrats are in opposition to critical LDS doctrines.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_6605032
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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bcspace wrote:
So...Temples are full of dishonest people...unworthily conducting ordinances on behalf of dead people...


According to how the Lord judges worthiness, yes.




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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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ludwigm wrote:The LDS church should come out and explicitly declare that
- as a worldwide church, doesn't handle local (US, Utahn, Salt Lake City) issues
- as a church, doesn't handle nonreligious issues (around the world)

Ludwigm, why do you think that the LDS Church should explicitly declare that it doesn't handle Utahn or Salt Lake City issues? And that it doesn't handle nonreligious issues?
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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KevinSim wrote:
ludwigm wrote:The LDS church should come out and explicitly declare that
- as a worldwide church, doesn't handle local (US, Utahn, Salt Lake City) issues
- as a church, doesn't handle nonreligious issues (around the world)

Ludwigm, why do you think that the LDS Church should explicitly declare that it doesn't handle Utahn or Salt Lake City issues? And that it doesn't handle nonreligious issues?

You (plural) have something called First Amendment. It can be described by sublime words as "Freedom of religion and protection from an established religion, like freedom of speech and the press, helps to ensure a free flow of ideas, bolsters pluralism in a highly diverse society, and helps to prevent governmental tyranny."
This First Amendment has - or should have - the other side. An established religion should keep out the government. You know, the conformity of right and obligation...

As a Hungarian saying formulates it:
Valamit valamiért.
Something for something.

"as a worldwide church, doesn't handle local (US, Utahn, Salt Lake City) issues" ??
by the way You left out the US from Your question...
Replace US, Utah, SLC with Hungary, Budapest!
What would You say - asserting You were a Hungarian - if as a member of an american church, Your bishop said VOTE AGAINST KDNP, because it is a Roman Catholic party?
Please read viewtopic.php?p=587195#p587195 for KDNP.

Unfortunately, we have no First Amendment. Instead, we have a cameleon prime minister who ten years before said in the Parliament "csuhások térdre" (~pray! frock wearers!), and today he take part in every religious event... (You know, the counting of votes next time!)

All in all, what we do want?
Separation of church(es) and state(s) or back to the middle ages?
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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Because Democrats are in opposition to critical LDS doctrines.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_6605032


The Mormons were concerned about being seen as a one-party church, tied too closely with Republicans, said Todd Taylor, a Democratic Party executive who was there.

"They wanted to find better ways to get more Mormons involved in the Democratic Party."


Laudable on paper. The idea is that the Democratic Party would be influenced closer to LDS values. This has failed and I predict will continue to fail from now on. The way to determine this is to compare the parties with LDS doctrine. Democrats fail this test on all fronts. Republican and other conservative parties tend to be neutral at worst.

He was a Democratic state legislator from 1949 to 1951, while he was an LDS bishop. In the mid-1950s he chaired the party in Utah and helped manage a campaign of Sen Frank Moss, D-Utah. He looked to two other prominent Latter-day Saint Democrats - N. Eldon Tanner and Hugh B. Brown - as mentors.


That was back when it was still possible for Democratic modus operandii to not conflict (much) with LDS doctrine.

"I am a conservative on fiscal and property matters, and I am liberal in terms of human values and human rights," Faust told his biographer, James P. Bell. "I believe what it says in the Book of Mormon, that the Lord values all of his children equally - black and white, bond and free, male and female, Jew and gentile - and that the Lord likewise has compassion for the heathen."


Those are conservative values. On paper, they are Liberal values too, but their execution (Socialism and the welfare state, gay marriage, abortion, Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton/Rev Wright etc.) are contrary to LDS doctrine.

He went on to say that the LDS Church would prefer to have members in both parties.


The division has already occurred. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is a Divider (Matthew 10). The Democratic Party is no longer a haven for Christians.

"Both locally and nationally, the interests of the church and its members are best served when we have two good men or women running on each ticket, and then no matter who is elected, we win," Faust told Bell, as reported in the 1999 volume, In the Strength of the Lord: The Life and Teachings of James E. Faust.


There hasn't been an LDS Democrat whose election victory would or did result in an LDS win for many decades now.

Faust, who died early Friday morning at 87, was "a compassionate, virtuous man and a beloved teacher," said Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah. "I will always remember his concern for the less-fortunate and what a strong advocate he was for public service. He made the world a better place."


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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?


Doubtful, Mormons in high callings or celebrity members get way with way more than lower tier members.

If a local bishop were to walk through a parking lot with a mega phone yelling out in support of gay marriage he'd for sure be ex-communicated.
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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Can a Mormon be a Democrat and a good Mormon??? It depends on what type of a Democrat the Mormon is. If a Mormon is a Senator Ben Nelson type of a Democrat, then the answer is yes, a Mormon can be a Democrat and a good Mormon. However, if a Mormon is a Senator Barbara Boxer type of a Democrat, then the answer is no, a Mormon can’t be a Democrat and a good Mormon.
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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Can a Mormon be a Democrat and a good Mormon??? It depends on what type of a Democrat the Mormon is


It's no longer possible because of the Romans 1:32 principle. Assuming a Mormon Democrat is just as conservative as I am, he's still not a good Mormon because by being Democrat; he votes organizationally to support that party, gives time and money for that party, and by publicly labeling himself as a Democrat, gives the impression to others who may follow his example that a host of values and principles contrary to LDS doctrine are okay to hold and support.
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Re: Does Harry Reid lose his Temple Recommend?

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bcspace wrote:
Can a Mormon be a Democrat and a good Mormon??? It depends on what type of a Democrat the Mormon is


It's no longer possible because of the Romans 1:32 principle. Assuming a Mormon Democrat is just as conservative as I am, he's still not a good Mormon because by being Democrat; he votes organizationally to support that party, gives time and money for that party, and by publicly labeling himself as a Democrat, gives the impression to others who may follow his example that a host of values and principles contrary to LDS doctrine are okay to hold and support.


Why doesn't the Church come out and say this? You know....officially?
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