Woould Spencer W. Kimball's article be too liberal today?

[_Tobin]

I think it's an open secret that Brother Kimball was gay

Where did that come from?

I believe it came from Buffalo.

[_Buffalo]

I think it's an open secret that Brother Kimball was gay

Where did that come from?

His idea that masturbation makes you gay. Oh, and his physical affection with men and sorta flirtation with D. Michael Quinn.

[_bcspace]

This is what holds TBMs back from being great artists. There are truly great TBM artists, but they are constained by what is considered "appropriate" and they are taught to believe their talents must be used to build up the kingdom of god. When Cleanflix tried to chop up films to meet LDS standards, that is what an LDS artist instinctively does to their own art.

Actually, there was a really interesting article in Imprimus recently, about monuments in this case specifically, that essentially shows the problem with art today stems from the Left's shifting us from thinking literarily to literally. For example, today, if the phrase "All men are created equal" were slated to be put on a monument, there would be much hullabaloo about women being left out and a probable change in phraseology.

"The fear of leaving someone or something out is hostile to the allegorical impulse, which seeks not to itemize but to generalize, and to speak not specific truths but great truths. It is not surprising that a culture ill at ease with the notion of absolute truth would find it very difficult to make monuments that show urgency and conviction."

[_Sophocles]

Good point, bspace. Didn't we just have a thread about a liberal magazine that purported to quote from the Declaration of Independence, but actually published an alteration reading "all men and women are created equal" without any acknowledgement of the change?

Or am I remembering that wrong?

[_moksha]

But then we ask, “Can there never be another Michelangelo?” Ah! Yes! His David in Florence and his Moses in Rome inspire us to the point of adulation. Did all such talent run out in that early century? Could not we find a living talent like this, but with a soul that was free from immorality and sensuality and intolerance?

The answer is no. Once we divorce the artist from the human condition, we are left with something that would be lauded at BYU, but never "another Michelangelo".

[_Fiannan]

But then we ask, “Can there never be another Michelangelo?” Ah! Yes! His David in Florence and his Moses in Rome inspire us to the point of adulation. Did all such talent run out in that early century? Could not we find a living talent like this, but with a soul that was free from immorality and sensuality and intolerance?

The answer is no. Once we divorce the artist from the human condition, we are left with something that would be lauded at BYU, but never "another Michelangelo".

That is true. I have read LDS authors who have written science fiction or psychological thrillers involving serial murder and I am sure there are members who would say that they have sold out to the dark side. Actually, there is no way to deal with reality without being a bit dark. However, if one is a devout member I think that the way they present the subject will be subtly reflected in the book or movie.

[_ludwigm]

But then we ask, “Can there never be another Michelangelo?” Ah! Yes! His David in Florence and his Moses in Rome inspire us to the point of adulation. Did all such talent run out in that early century? Could not we find a living talent like this, but with a soul that was free from immorality and sensuality and intolerance?

The answer is no. Once we divorce the artist from the human condition, we are left with something that would be lauded at BYU, but never "another Michelangelo".

You've overtaken me...

Another similar sentence from the very same sermon:

With regard to masters, surely there must be many of the quality of Wagners (Richard Wagner, 1813–83) in the Church, approaching him or yet to come in the future—young people with a love of art, talent supreme, and eagerness to create. I hope we may produce men greater than this German composer, Wagner, but less eccentric, more spiritual.

Futile hope.


Can there never be another Michelangelo? In the boundaries of Mormonism, can't. The climate doesn't fit.

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The statistic of our (we, humans) abilities can be describe by the Gaussian function.
, but don't care...

In probability theory and statistics, there is something called variance (variance is a measure of how far a set of numbers is spread out).
Paramount artists (genies, if one like this label) are far beyond the expected value plus variance.
I think, for genies in human genus, we should pay with - for example - criminals, who are far beneath the average.

OK, forget my math blabbering.

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Genies are not average persons. Why do we expect average behaviour from them?

It has been said that many of the great artists were perverts or moral degenerates.

Perverts? Degenerates?
From this minute on, all 5th generation TBM should hinder any artistic token of their heirs. My son/daughter will not be a pervert!

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Please imagine Rudolf Nureyev and Margot Fonteyn in garments:
(no, this is not that picture)

What about an amish racing driver?
What about a Mormon physicist around LHC? (OK, it is science - which can be over a certain level art and/or magic...)

[_ludwigm]

Benevolent warning!

Some of his female nudes look like men with breasts glued on:
picture with breasts

David is one mighty fine looking man.
picture with genitals
Paul O

I was punished with one week banning for similar things. Breast on a caricature and David's unpronounceables.

[_Shulem]

Benevolent warning!

Some of his female nudes look like men with breasts glued on:
picture with breasts

David is one mighty fine looking man.
picture with genitals
Paul O

I was punished with one week banning for similar things. Breast on a caricature and David's unpronounceables.

I would love to be punished for posting a picture of beautiful David. It would be an honor. There are few greater pieces of art on the face of this earth other than David and if I'm persecuted for posting it than I will shout praises all the day long!

This is what I would like to do with David:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05ClgW45bQ&feature=related

Hell yeah! Right in front of Spencer W. Kimball!

Paul O

[_ludwigm]

surely there must be many of the quality of Wagners
...
but less eccentric, more spiritual.

we ask, “Can there never be another Michelangelo?”
...
but with a soul that was free from immorality and sensuality and intolerance?