A Blistering Account of DCP's Scholarship

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Re: A Blistering Account of DCP's Scholarship

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:What the Hell? Is that the best you have? This is twice now, in this thread, where you resort to ad hominem to make your point. It's a very weak position to take.


I'm genuinely sorry that I'm not as intelligent, sharp, broad-minded, patient, and dare I say, as "Christlike" as you are. I'm pretty reliant on mercy and forgiveness, because I believe there is a God, and no matter what we say, do, or lecture others about, in the end we're still going to have to confront the "man in the mirror".

So you win. I'm okay with that.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:What the Hell? Is that the best you have? This is twice now, in this thread, where you resort to ad hominem to make your point. It's a very weak position to take.


I'm genuinely sorry that I'm not as intelligent, sharp, broad-minded, patient, and dare I say, as "Christlike" as you are. I'm pretty reliant on mercy and forgiveness, because I believe there is a God, and no matter what we say, do, or lecture others about, in the end we're still going to have to confront the "man in the mirror".

So you win. I'm okay with that.


Now you're playing the victim card? Maybe you're closer to Islam than you think. ;) If you want to have an on-point conversation about Islam then I'm on board, but I'd like you to pick a topic and stick to it.

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Carton wrote: That, my friends, is not bad for doing nothing but sitting around writing "hit pieces" all day long. Not to mention the annual trips to exotic places around the world.


Ray wrote:Dr. Peterson is a tutor/lecturer in Islamic studies and Arabic at BYU. To say that he "sit[s] around writing 'hit pieces' all day long" seems to be in the category of the Krispy Kreme myth.

But nevertheless, Carry On


Cam wrote:It is hard to see why anyone would have that impression of him, no?

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/authors/?authorID=1

- VRDRC


I don't really see how your list disproves Ray's statement. Yes, I understand that there are a lot of publications here which involve MI. So what? The fact remains that, in addition to writing whatever he writes for MI, he is still a full-time Professor in the Islamic Studies department at BYU. As an Instructor in the Higher Education field, I can tell you that it is extremely time consuming. I only work part-time currently, and even so, the pace is unreal.

Your list doesn't include his current teaching schedule, his mandated office hours for students, or his travel schedule.

And yes, the donut thing is really silly, too. Dan doesn't even actually like Krispy Kreme. He prefers Dunkin' Donuts, I believe.

(Silly man! Krispy Kremes are amazing! :wink: )
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Hi Liz,

You don't see his CV, his current MI activity, and his online posting habits as supporting Carton's statement?

Huh. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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The fact remains that, in addition to writing whatever he writes for MI, he is still a full-time Professor in the Islamic Studies department at BYU. As an Instructor in the Higher Education field, I can tell you that it is extremely time consuming. I only work part-time currently, and even so, the pace is unreal.


No one is questioning whether he has a job teaching Arabic at BYU. But just google teh names of other Islam experts at comparable Universities and you'll see that the bulk of what they publish is related to Islam. You say Dan's time is limited, but we already know this isn't true. He is obsessed, I mean seriously obsessed with online criticism of his faith. I remember way back in 1997 he and I used to tag team against Evangelicals on the Walter Martin discussion forum. Even as an apologist I used to ask myself, where does this guy get the time? Morning, afternoon, late afternoon, early evening, to the wee hours of the morning... you could find him posting somewhere online and he never managed to engage an actual debate or civil discussion as he keeps pretended to have interest in.

As noted earlier, he argued that this forum is toxic and all should avoid it at all costs, and yet he posted more than 7,000 times over the course of a few years. This doesn't even include his sock puppetry activities over at the ex-Mormon forum, or on my previous forum where he posted as "fritz" or the posts he makes over at MAD. But more to the point, he is editor of a publication whose primary goal is to make anti-Mormons look as dishonest and as stupid as possible. It has become so integral to what the MI/FARMS essentially is, that he doesn't even notice it anymore. He is a hypocrite, no questions asked because he will call someone disingenuous and then complain when someone like myself calls one of his buddies at BYU disingenuous. People like John Gee, who is a flat out embarrassment to his profession. I can't think of another Islamist who spends nearly as much time doing these kinds of things, except for maybe Juan Cole from the U of Michigan. But at least Cole's apologetic riff raff is related to his field of expertise: Islam.

And now I see Dan has decided to become a blowhard on political matters, attacking Obama regularly, based on what his favorite Right Wing propaganda venue tells him. He even attacks Elizabeth Warren on his blog because she claims to have Indian ancestry. I mean this guy is every bit the bigot towards Liberals and the evil "Left" as I ever was towards Islam. Just read some of the idiotic nonsense he posts. It is like watching Loran Blood without the illiteracy issues.
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Yeah, DCP's publications are almonst entirely apologetic, almonst entirely FARMS- or MI-related. And the thing of it is, he himself helped to negotiate with BYU so that FARMS publications could count towards promotion and salary decisions. I would be willing to bet that DCP's contract divides up his duties--e.g., 40/40/20, where forty percent of his time is supposed to be spent teaching, another forty for research, and so on. Somewhere in his contract there is going to be something stipulating his writing and/or research requirements, and the thing is, he gets to count his FARMS editorials, many of which are extremely nasty.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Yeah, DCP's publications are almonst entirely apologetic, almonst entirely FARMS- or MI-related. And the thing of it is, he himself helped to negotiate with BYU so that FARMS publications could count towards promotion and salary decisions. I would be willing to bet that DCP's contract divides up his duties--e.g., 40/40/20, where forty percent of his time is supposed to be spent teaching, another forty for research, and so on. Somewhere in his contract there is going to be something stipulating his writing and/or research requirements, and the thing is, he gets to count his FARMS editorials, many of which are extremely nasty.


I wouldn't be surprised if his 20 (service to the larger community) included what some would interpret as apologetic work, too.
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Morley wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:Yeah, DCP's publications are almonst entirely apologetic, almonst entirely FARMS- or MI-related. And the thing of it is, he himself helped to negotiate with BYU so that FARMS publications could count towards promotion and salary decisions. I would be willing to bet that DCP's contract divides up his duties--e.g., 40/40/20, where forty percent of his time is supposed to be spent teaching, another forty for research, and so on. Somewhere in his contract there is going to be something stipulating his writing and/or research requirements, and the thing is, he gets to count his FARMS editorials, many of which are extremely nasty.


I wouldn't be surprised if his 20 (service to the larger community) included what some would interpret as apologetic work, too.


Good point. He probably counts "Mormon Scholars Testify," and his various watered-down "Mormon Times" articles, along with some of his travel and firesides and things of that nature. It would be hilarious if he tried to count his messageboard posts. Or, I wonder if he counts those free cruises he takes?
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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I don't care how Daniel or any other MI person earns their bread, so long as it doesn't involve slamming members of the LDS Church in good standing.
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Kishkumen wrote:I don't care how Daniel or any other MI person earns their bread, so long as it doesn't involve slamming members of the LDS Church in good standing.


What about slamming non-members, or former members?

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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