M&G Lays Some Serious Smack Down on Why Me

[_hobo1512]

I have taken daniel to task. I have told him a few times not to take the bait on this board and just let the personal threads about him to die a natural death.

So, in other words, why me has never taken a Mormon apologist to task for bad behavior. Shocking.

You picked up on that too huh?

[_hobo1512]

Can you say double standard?

No. The Mormon hating catholics on their forum post crap and attempt to bash any Mormons who want to respond. And most Mormons have left the Mormon hating forums because they were either mocked bashed and dulled into a belief system.

Let's not forget the Catholic hating Mormons over there like:

Why Me
Diania
Zerinius
Pahoran (very short lived)
MFBukowski

Just to name a few.

You're just talking sour grapes because of what your behavior over there got you.

You're just like good ol joe. Never take responsibility for your own actions.

So, the long and the short of it is....until you clean up your lot in the trailer park, don't tell anyone else about theirs.

[_why me]

So, in other words, why me has never taken a Mormon apologist to task for bad behavior. Shocking.

This is not true. If any Mormon would have bashed the catholics on their forum, I would have taken them to task. All the people who have been banned from the catholic forum have been banned for defending the LDS church against hostile posts. But...on that forum, the Mormons are gang raped by catholics pushing the report button. Or if they are doing a good job defending the LDS church, the report button is pushed. It is no win situation for the Mormons who go there to defend and not attack.

[_why me]

Can you say double standard?

Why Me
Diania
Zerinius
Pahoran (very short lived)
MFBukowski

Just to name a few.

Parker
flyonthewall
and many many more....

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[Guest]

So, in other words, why me has never taken a Mormon apologist to task for bad behavior. Shocking.

Well, here is a sample of bad behavior on the catholic forum or is it? What do you think?

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.p ... 386&page=6

Would you find such mocking on MDD? The Mormon poster will soon be banned. Trust me.

Now compare it to this thread about Islam:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.p ... 025&page=2

Notice the respectful tone. What is unfortunate is that the Mormon threads are started or hijacked by the Mormon haters. Also, I do believe that the posters are on notice to treat Islam with respect. I wonder why? If I remember correctly, I wrote the mods about the dangers of treating islam with disrespect a few years ago since the board can be seen all over the world and there was no reason to risk a fatwah against Catholic Answers. I think that someone was listening to me. But against the Mormons...it is open season.

My point there was simple: treat the Mormons and their religion with respect. One can disagree without mocking the Mormon temple and other beliefs. Have a dialogue and not a bash. I also told them that the catholic church is not about bashing other faiths. That is not the spirit of catholicism. I also defended Mormon history by using catholic history as an example: my premise was simple, all churches have skeletons in their closet since no human being is perfect. Do catholics have a right to bash Mormons with their history knowing the hístory of the catholic church?

[_beastie]

I'm cheating again by not reading all the posts on the thread. So ignore me if someone else has already made this observation about whyme's demand that MnG spend her time defending DCP.

Gadianton, If I recall correctly, made an astute observation about internet message board apologetics years ago. This particular type of apologia isn't so much about defending the gospel: it's about defending apologists, and certain dogmas that those same apologists have set.

So, for example, if a Rodney Meldrum fan, who was a believing, devout Mormon, were to begin posting on MDD, he/she would be probably treated as harshly as an apostate would be.

It's always refreshing to see a believer who actually is defending the gospel instead of defending apologists and their dogma. And that same believer will usually be treated far less harshly by apostates than those whose apologia is directed towards defending apologists.

[_why me]

It's always refreshing to see a believer who actually is defending the gospel instead of defending apologists and their dogma. And that same believer will usually be treated far less harshly by apostates than those whose apologia is directed towards defending apologists.

This is not exactly true. I have told dan a couple of times not to take the bait on this forum by rising to the occasion. I told him just let the conversation subside on its own. But he didn't listen at that time.

I have not seen Mormons on MDD attack the catholic church as the posters attack the LDS church on the catholic forum. If I did, I would take them to task. No problem. The apologists are defending their faith on MDD. How they choose to do so is their own business and I let the mods take care of it. I am not a moderator on MDD.

However with mercyngrace, the poster lectured the posters on MDD to have a higher standard when posting to defend the LDS church. But the poster did not hold the critics to the same standard. And that was my point in taking the poster Mercyngrace to task.

[_beastie]

It's always refreshing to see a believer who actually is defending the gospel instead of defending apologists and their dogma. And that same believer will usually be treated far less harshly by apostates than those whose apologia is directed towards defending apologists.

This is not exactly true. I have told dan a couple of times not to take the bait on this forum by rising to the occasion. I told him just let the conversation subside on its own. But he didn't listen at that time.

I have not seen Mormons on MDD attack the catholic church as the posters attack the LDS church on the catholic forum. If I did, I would take them to task. No problem. The apologists are defending their faith on MDD. How they choose to do so is their own business and I let the mods take care of it. I am not a moderator on MDD.

However with mercyngrace, the poster lectured the posters on MDD to have a higher standard when posting to defend the LDS church. But the poster did not hold the critics to the same standard. And that was my point in taking the poster Mercyngrace to task.

Most of your reply has little to do with my statement.

But I found this statement of yours interesting:

The apologists are defending their faith on MDD. How they choose to do so is their own business and I let the mods take care of it. I am not a moderator on MDD.

Gee. So when it's LDS, it's their own business and the mods take care of it.

But when it's nonLDS, you appoint yourself some sort of meta-moderator and expect others to do the same.

[_Kishkumen]

I'm cheating again by not reading all the posts on the thread. So ignore me if someone else has already made this observation about whyme's demand that MnG spend her time defending DCP.

Gadianton, If I recall correctly, made an astute observation about internet message board apologetics years ago. This particular type of apologia isn't so much about defending the gospel: it's about defending apologists, and certain dogmas that those same apologists have set.

So, for example, if a Rodney Meldrum fan, who was a believing, devout Mormon, were to begin posting on MDD, he/she would be probably treated as harshly as an apostate would be.

It's always refreshing to see a believer who actually is defending the gospel instead of defending apologists and their dogma. And that same believer will usually be treated far less harshly by apostates than those whose apologia is directed towards defending apologists.

Agreed.

[_MsJack]

This is not true. If any Mormon would have bashed the catholics on their forum, I would have taken them to task.

We are not just talking about Mormon apologists engaging in bad behavior towards Catholics. We're talking about Mormon apologists engaging in bad behavior in general, and that has existed on this forum in spades. For example, I went to great lengths to document one apologist's misogynist behavior on our forum. How did you respond? Did you protest and rebuke him for his behavior? Of course not. You said that his real problem was that he had done it all under his real name. You had no objections to what he actually said, but felt that if it had been done under a pseudonym, it all would have been okay since he could not have suffered repercussions then. You have never taken a Mormon apologist to task for bad behavior, no matter how bad it is, and that is that.

I personally can't think of any recent examples of Mormon apologists bashing Catholicism specifically. Mormons have pretty much steered away from anti-Catholicism after years of saying the Catholic church was the Great and Abominable Church and the church of the devil and whatnot. If they bash anything, they tend to bash Christianity at large or Protestantism specifically.

Now, you say that you would go after a Mormon apologist if s/he bashed Catholicism. Maybe you're sincere in that. But my response to you is . . . so what? Catholicism and Mormonism are the two religions you're most fond of. Of course you're going to stick up against people who attack those. Jesus taught, "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back." (Luke 6:32-35) If you want credit for issuing equal-opportunity rebukes on this forum, learn to stand up for causes and movements that you don't care about.

Well, here is a sample of bad behavior on the catholic forum or is it? What do you think?

I think it's harshly-worded, but ideologically, not any harsher than what Gospel Principles Chapter 16 or the pre-1990 temple ceremony says about other Christians.

Would you find such mocking on MDD? The Mormon poster will soon be banned.

For starters, I didn't see any mocking on the page of the thread you linked to. Saying that Mormonism is of the devil and Mormons are deluded is not the same thing as mocking them. HonoraDominum certainly has a low and negative view of Mormonism, and it's not a view I would share by a long shot, but s/he also seems pretty sincere about his/her beliefs.

As to whether or not it would be tolerated at MDDB, that would depend on the apologist who said it. If a disposable apologist like Droopy or ldsfaqs said it, he may or may not be banned. If Pahoran or Dan Peterson or Bill Hamblin said it, nothing would happen. For example, Pahoran once said something to the effect of, "I've thought about becoming Trinitarian, but I think I'd rather remain Christian." Last I checked, he isn't banned. (And in fact, I don't think that saying that someone is deluded or not-Christian or even of the devil should be bannable behavior, but you apparently do.)

My point there was simple: treat the Mormons and their religion with respect.

That's precisely what many of us here at MDB do. However, for us, "treat the Mormons and their religion with respect" is not synonymous with, "do not critique them in any capacity whatsoever." Your problem is that you view any critique of Mormonism--no matter how respectful--as "bashing" it. That's just not a paradigm that the non-LDS posters here are going to agree with.