M&G Lays Some Serious Smack Down on Why Me

[_MsJack]

The reason he wrote this is because of the tone of the antimormons. I have no intention of picking through the threads. I will let this level headed catholic speak for me.

If there are anti-Mormon Catholics at the Catholic Answers forum (a forum I admit to being wholly unfamiliar with) mocking Mormonism on a regular basis, providing some examples should not be difficult.

[_mercyngrace]

You haven't given me any examples of anti-Mormon Catholics mocking the LDS church to begin with, and you're in no position to predict what I would or would not do should I ever witness such a situation.

From an active Mormon thread, written by a level headed catholic:

Just a little thought experiment here:

[b]For all of the non-Mormons participating, would this thread bring you closer to Christ and his Church if you were in the shoes of the Mormon contributors? I fully agree with all of the ideas expressed in this thread that I saw, but I'm not sure this is the way to win souls. I don't mean to step on any toes, because I know we're all here because of our faith in the authentic Jesus Christ and his holy Church. I'm just a fellow brother in Christ trying to make sure that we are keeping the goal of winning souls in mind, and not letting frustration, etc, distract us from doing our best to achieve that goal.[/b]

The reason he wrote this is because of the tone of the antimormons. I have no intention of picking through the threads. I will let this level headed catholic speak for me.

So I understand, it's considered level-headed when people police their own and invite their own to be Christ-like?

I'm getting some seriously mixed signals, here.

[_why me]

So I understand, it's considered level-headed when people police their own and invite their own to be Christ-like?

I'm getting some seriously mixed signals, here.

Not really. The antimormon catholics make it a life commitment to bash the Mormon church. I don't mind a heated debate but the mocking and bashing is something else. To nitpick someone else's religion in a unchristlike fashion is certainly not christian. I would also 'lecture' the MDD people if they were doing this. The LDS on MDD on defending their faith. The antimormon catholics are bashing another's faith.

[_cafe crema]

So I understand, it's considered level-headed when people police their own and invite their own to be Christ-like?

I'm getting some seriously mixed signals, here.

While the signals may be mixed he has been consistent in sending the same mixed signal. Catholics are to only admonish their own, while LDS are to only admonish critics. No one is allowed to admonish the LDS ever.

[_mercyngrace]

So I understand, it's considered level-headed when people police their own and invite their own to be Christ-like?

I'm getting some seriously mixed signals, here.

Not really. The antimormon catholics make it a life commitment to bash the Mormon church. I don't mind a heated debate but the mocking and bashing is something else. To nitpick someone else's religion in a unchristlike fashion is certainly not christian. I would also 'lecture' the MDD people if they were doing this. The LDS on MDD on defending their faith. The antimormon catholics are bashing another's faith.

Again, for the sake of clarity, are you suggesting that uncharitable behavior is okay when you are on defense but not offense?

[Guest]

You haven't given me any examples of anti-Mormon Catholics mocking the LDS church to begin with, and you're in no position to predict what I would or would not do should I ever witness such a situation.

What about these and please read all of them:

Yet they still believe that con man and coward was a prophet
May they see the truth. It is my fervent prayer

From a Mormon poster addressing one of the catholic posters:

You mean like calling an entire religion of people "vengeful"? That's what I was pointing out in your post and that's why I ascribed it to your being an former LDS. I know lots of ex-Mormons who are not bitter and don't go around ascribing malicious intentions to all LDS.

Edit: I also find it interesting that I got an infraction for calling you bitter, yet your post stands calling all Mormons vengeful. Oh yeah, no double standard there whatsoever.

For what it's worth, I'm sorry I called you bitter. I should have kept that to myself.

As we can see the report buttons were being pushed by the antimormon catholics, giving the poor Mormon a warning.

Catholic posters:

I still think Mormons have a vengeful mind frame.

Perhaps because he was not an innocent man. He was a crook and con man who ran from three states and tried to run from another to avoid the law. He then, as a suspected criminal in jail, illegally had a gun and fired willy nilly down stairs before trying, again, to run, leaving his friends behind. And he did not RE establish anything. He established a huge con.

Another catholic poster:

To me it's like there is a raging river and one has to cross it somehow. The Church has built a sturdy bridge, wide and strong, and it's so easy to cross - you just walk over that river. You might get a bit wet but you're not going to drown.

With some Protestant denominations there is a shaky bridge and when people cross it they find it very difficult and sometimes they get very wet and sometimes they fall into the water and drown.

With organizations such as what is called the Mormon Church you are mostly on your own. If you are given any help it's in the form of a boat that you have to find a pump for and then you find out it has a leak. Or they will throw you a life ring if you're in the water but it's not on a line long enough to reach you. You might get across. You might drown. You might be carried way down the rapids and smashed against the rocks.

To me it makes sense to use the best way across that river and it is the Catholic Church.

Another catholic poster:

Due to the volumous amount of threads about Mormons and the Mormon religion, I thought it might save some time for those of us who are constantly fighting the fight against the lies of the Mormon church to just put up the end-all-be-all thread and be done with the topic, or at least have something to quick-reference for when the Same Song Second Verse posts appears on these boards.

Catholic poster:

For Catholics/non-Mormons:

Mormons will say that they "prayed about it" and got a "burning of the bosom" and this is how they know that the Book of Mormon is true. Mormons will then ask you pray about it and let you make the choice for yourself.

This is a lie. Do not believe it.

This is the beginning of what is called the "Double Bind", an argument style that is used frequently by members of the Mormon faith. It goes something like this: In the Book of Mormon, it says to pray to get an answer on its truthfulness. If you get an answer, than it's true. If you don't get an answer, well, that's a problem with you and it's your fault. It will eventually get to this point: If you believe with out questioning, then you have faith. If you question and begin to have doubts, then you are at fault because you allowed Satan to influence your belief. This will mess with your mind, as any ex-Mormon on this board will attest to. If you allow yourself to be sucked inot the lies, you will end up fighting this battle in your head years after you leave the church. Trust me on this.

Mormons will deny certain historical facts about their religious heritage.

This is a lie. Do not believe it.

The historical facts can easily be found with a Google search about such things as the early leaders of the church being an unapologetic racists, the Masonic origins of the LDS temple ceremonies, and the complete disproval of the Book of Abraham "Translations".

Long story short, it doesn't matter what you believe about the Catholic Church, it doesn't change the fact that the LDS church is based on the lies of Joseph Smith and perpetuated to this day by the leadership of the church.

Catholic poster:

I can't agree to post that way
No matter what you do or say
We struggle hard to fight the fight
Because we know that we are right

I know that we are sometimes scoffed at
by those who follow a false prophet
But I believe if we fight and pray
Some will soon be in RCIA

Catholic poster:

But the truth is that the leaders of the Mormon church *are* liars.

Another catholic poster:

I think that to preserve faith for those poor deluded creatures, the best approach is to demonstrate to them that the LDS church is in apostasy from the best of the Book of Mormon,

Finally a kind episcopalian:

Come on. This is grossly inappropriate and wholly uncharitable. You are welcome to respectfully disagree with members of the LDS faith, but calling them liars is uncalled for and I honestly expected more.

And a kind catholic:

Why assume I'm defending the Mormons just because I question some of the tactics here.

I'm a life long Catholic who drifted and is working to build my faith.
While I have disagreements with some Catholic doctrine, I'm here to strengthen my faith and not tear down anyone else with my doubts. So i do more reading than posting. And when I post, I work hard to keep it positive.

I've seen plenty of facts posted here that discredit smith, but the facts can be presented with charity and without bullying

I just gave a cross section of three threads about Mormonism. Now if MDD were doing this about the catholic church or any protestant church, you would be outraged. Right? And the catholic moderators did not give any warnings at all. Nice?

[_why me]

Again, for the sake of clarity, are you suggesting that uncharitable behavior is okay when you are on defense but not offense?

If you are going to take the apologists to task, you also need to take the critics to task. I felt that when you posted your quotation that you were being unfair to the apologists by claiming that they should have higher standards than the critics. By the way, if I were a critic, I would be insulted because you were implying that my standards can be lower.

If you read my last post to MsJack, you will see just how the catholic apologetic forum allows catholics to bash Mormons and Mormonism. See the difference between MDD and that forum? You would be outraged if Mormons were doing this to the catholic church on the MDD forum and rightly so. I am dealing with two different forums and so my answers reflect that fact.

[_mercyngrace]

Again, for the sake of clarity, are you suggesting that uncharitable behavior is okay when you are on defense but not offense?

If you are going to take the apologists to task, you also need to take the critics to task. I felt that when you posted your quotation that you were being unfair to the apologists by claiming that they should have higher standards than the critics. By the way, if I were a critic, I would be insulted because you were implying that my standards can be lower.

Except that, as I've pointed out, I didn't set a standard for anyone else. I simply stated the standard I have chosen for myself and invited you to hold me to that standard.

You were mistaken in regard to both my intent and the explicit content of my words.

But you know what, Why Me, I really do believe what I posted and I really do desire to live up to the standard I have chosen for my online behavior. So, as frustrating as that thread was, I don't have any problem letting bygones be bygones.

Godspeed.

[_why me]

But you know what, Why Me, I really do believe what I posted and I really do desire to live up to the standard I have chosen for my online behavior. So, as frustrating as that thread was, I don't have any problem letting bygones be bygones.

Godspeed.

I have noticed that when posting on the internet, it is easily to be misunderstood. This has happened to me quite often quite often because posters wish to read into posts what they want to read. This has happened to me here and on the catholic forum. And perhaps I have done this with you. Sorry if this is the case.

[_Kishkumen]

If you are going to take the apologists to task, you also need to take the critics to task.

Who died and made you God, why me?

Just shut up about this already. No one is obligated to do one damn thing you demand.

Give it up.