Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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Brackite wrote:Is Wade Still Single???


Yes, I believe Wade is still single and will enter the celestial kingdom as a servant -- having a smooth Ken doll appearance down below. Poor Wade, he will lose every inch of his pride!

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Chap wrote:
Droopy wrote:before the Great and Terrible day arrives unannounced...at midnight.


Droopy. he knoweth the hour.

Somehow I received the impression that in Droopys world it is always midnight.
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huckelberry wrote:Somehow I received the impression that in Droopys world it is always midnight.


Yeah, Droopy has a serious drinking problem. All we can do is encourage him to overcome it.

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Droopy wrote:
consiglieri wrote:I often wish I could go back to the way it was when I had a simple and pure knowledge of the truth of the LDS Church. I was much happier then.

But then, I also know that my happiness was founded upon a host of incorrect assumptions, partial truths, and even flat-out lies.

It was a happiness grounded in ignorance.


Well, at least thanks for admitting you have apostatized from the church. I hinted at precisely this several years ago, and, as I remember, you bristled.


What Droopy is admitting here is that comfortable ignorance is the only state in which orthodoxy may be maintained.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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Droopy wrote:Well, at least thanks for admitting you have apostatized from the church. I hinted at precisely this several years ago, and, as I remember, you bristled.



I could say with some truth that I didn't leave the LDS Church; the LDS Church left me.

But I think it is more accurate to say that I have transcended the constricted, constrained and correlated version of currently received Mormon Doctrine.

In so doing, I have connected more fully with the Mormonism restored by Joseph Smith, and have aligned myself with the Adam of his temple endowment who is forever seeking "further light and knowledge."

There is no barrier so strong against receiving further light and knowledge as thinking one already has the answers.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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Buffalo wrote:Wade - quick question. Does your method for restoring faith involve convincing people to stop asking certain questions?


It involves, among other things, asking and answering relevant and productive questions.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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consiglieri wrote:I often wish I could go back to the way it was when I had a simple and pure knowledge of the truth of the LDS Church--Consiglieri


Would you like to move forward towards a profound and edifying faith in the restored gospel--if you haven't already?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)
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wenglund wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Wade - quick question. Does your method for restoring faith involve convincing people to stop asking certain questions?


It involves, among other things, asking and answering relevant and productive questions.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


So that's a yes, then?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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wenglund wrote:Would you like to move forward towards a profound and edifying faith in the restored gospel--if you haven't already?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-



My path is not your path.

Thanks, -Consiglieri-
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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consiglieri wrote:I could say with some truth that I didn't leave the LDS Church; the LDS Church left me.

But I think it is more accurate to say that I have transcended the constricted, constrained and correlated version of currently received Mormon Doctrine.

In so doing, I have connected more fully with the Mormonism restored by Joseph Smith, and have aligned myself with the Adam of his temple endowment who is forever seeking "further light and knowledge."


There is no barrier so strong against receiving further light and knowledge as thinking one already has the answers.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri


This. Exactly.

And yet I have no desire to leave the church because I believe this is where the institution and the people are headed, if slowly.

eta: I actually see disillusion with that naïve faith rooted largely in ignorance as a significant part of the process of spiritual maturation. Consig, you might enjoy Peter Rollins. He has a new book coming out in which he's trying to explain his approach to Christianity which is, in a nutshell, that the heart of the Christian experience is losing faith and learning to live in the uncertainty (a la "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me.") He speaks, blogs, and has written about his Christology but his presentations thus far have been disjointed rather than systematic.
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"In my more rebellious days I tried to doubt the existence of the sacred, but the universe kept dancing and life kept writing poetry across my life." ~ David N. Elkins, 1998, Beyond Religion, p. 81
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