huckelberry wrote:This is a truly perverted reading of Mr Peterson's statement. Hatred of the man is beyond reason. I realize having read message board posts from him for some time, back to when he actually argued with nonmormons, that he can be annoying. He can be dismissive. He is quicker witted than most posters.
What he said in this article is:" enforced servitued of blacks in the United States was a horrific injustice, even at its best an inexcusable offense agianst God, humanity, and fundamental principals of the American founding."
Now I do not share Mr Pertersons politics. Barring unknown negative revelation about our president I will vote for him for a second term. But I do think kneejerk attacks on people as racist, distorting their statements, hurts all nonconservative political chances.
Whether the speaker is Black or white, there is nothing good about slavery PERIOD FULL STOP END OF SENTENCE
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
Chap wrote:This kind of thing from a sane and decent person like LIz makes me feel really glad that I finally got Christianity out of my brain.
There is nothing that should be said about foul and repulsive past acts by human beings except that they were foul and repulsive. Then stop there. Maybe stay silent for a bit, then bury the past like the dead it claimed.
Going on to say something along the lines of 'But the Lord brought blessings out of it somehow, and that is good' is ... well, I shall just say 'inappropriate'.
Wait..you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Maybe I am not being clear. I am not saying that the Lord brought blessings out of slavery. Slavery was evil; period. There was NOTHING good about slavery. Let me make that perfectly clear. I find nothing good about slavery. It is completely evil.
All I am saying is that some of those who descended from slavery were blessed..and I am glad that they were blessed.
Rollo Tomasi wrote:I read Dan's post to offer some sort of "silver lining" to American slavery. I personally view American slavery as repugnant in every way, meaning I don't see any "silver lining." The fact that descendants of American slaves may be doing well today does not in any way translate to "good" coming from American slavery 150 years ago. Slavery was a vile, sick, unconscionable and inexcusable man-made institution (despite BY's claim to the contrary). I cannot see ANY good, blessing, or inspiration in connection with American slavery, and I will disagree with anyone who tries to argue otherwise.
My view is that any descendant of slaves who wishes to see it that way, may, if they so choose. It is not for me to comment either way. My only job, in my view, is to vote in the best interests of people of all colors, creeds, and genders now. You certainly will not find me telling tall tales about myself and the grateful descendant of slaves. I think that, at best, it is in poor taste. At worst, it is the product of an underlying self-justifying white supremacist viewpoint.
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"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
liz3564 wrote:All I am saying is that some of those who descended from slavery were blessed..and I am glad that they were blessed.
But they weren't "blessed" because of slavery, which is the point I'm trying to make.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Kishkumen wrote:My view is that any descendant of slaves who wishes to see it that way, may, if they so choose.
I agree.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
liz3564 wrote:All I am saying is that some of those who descended from slavery were blessed..and I am glad that they were blessed.
But they weren't "blessed" because of slavery, which is the point I'm trying to make.
Then we are in complete agreement. I am not saying that they were blessed because of slavery, either. I am saying that they were blessed in spite of it.
Chap wrote:This kind of thing from a sane and decent person like LIz makes me feel really glad that I finally got Christianity out of my brain.
There is nothing that should be said about foul and repulsive past acts by human beings except that they were foul and repulsive. Then stop there. Maybe stay silent for a bit, then bury the past like the dead it claimed.
Going on to say something along the lines of 'But the Lord brought blessings out of it somehow, and that is good' is ... well, I shall just say 'inappropriate'.
Wait..you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Maybe I am not being clear. I am not saying that the Lord brought blessings out of slavery. Slavery was evil; period. There was NOTHING good about slavery. Let me make that perfectly clear. I find nothing good about slavery. It is completely evil.
All I am saying is that some of those who descended from slavery were blessed..and I am glad that they were blessed.
I understand you. It is just that I want you to stop after the "I find nothing good about slavery. It is completely evil.". When you continue to 'some of those who descended from slavery were blessed', I know you do not claim that they were blessed because of slavery, and therefore etc. Plenty of people whose ancestors were not slaves were (in your terms) 'blessed'. The two parts of your utterance are completely disconnected.
But the way the human mind works, your listeners are led to make a connection between the two things you say. You end a reference to something appalling with a little dose of optimism. Better to leave them to let the horror sink in, without any dilution of the chilling impression left behind by the truth of how people really acted, and might act again if they had the power and opportunity - indeed are still acting all over the world. Sometimes optimism is way out of place.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
liz3564 wrote:some positive results did manage to come from it.
Whatever good African-Americans experience in life, it is NOT the result of slavery. Get it, Liz?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
liz3564 wrote:Then we are in complete agreement. I am not saying that they were blessed because of slavery, either. I am saying that they were blessed in spite of it.
Blog Peterson wrote that some good came from slavery. No?