Simon on Mormon Stories

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Tobin wrote:You are anti-God in every sense of the word and in open conflict with God and will have to account for who and what you are one day.


The Little Orphan Annie

By James Whitcomb Riley


Little Orphan Annie's come to my house to stay.
To wash the cups and saucers up and brush the crumbs away.
To shoo the chickens from the porch and dust the hearth and sweep,
and make the fire and bake the bread to earn her board and keep.
While all us other children, when the supper things is done,
we sit around the kitchen fire and has the mostest fun,
a listening to the witch tales that Annie tells about
and the goblins will get ya if ya don't watch out!

Once there was a little boy who wouldn't say his prayers,
and when he went to bed at night away up stairs,
his mammy heard him holler and his daddy heard him bawl,
and when they turned the covers down,
he wasn't there at all!
They searched him in the attic room
and cubby hole and press
and even up the chimney flu and every wheres, I guess,
but all they ever found of him was just his pants and round-abouts
and the goblins will get ya if ya don't watch out!!

Once there was a little girl who always laughed and grinned
and made fun of everyone, of all her blood and kin,
and once when there was company and old folks was there,
she mocked them and she shocked them and said, she didn't care.
And just as she turned on her heels and to go and run and hide,
there was two great big black things a standing by her side.
They snatched her through the ceiling fore she knew what shes about,
and the goblins will get ya if ya don't watch out!!
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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:
DCP got his ass handed to him on a plate and so did what all apologists do here, ran away claiming victory while doing so. I love the way he ends it because it really shows him for what he is, a lying worm. He has to know by now that the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction by now and that the Book of Abraham is another fraud. Any other option isn't even plausible.

I like the way Natuska completely undoes the mopologetic attempt to make it even possible by stating the obvious; It isn't just one discipline or a single issue, but ranges across every single issue and they aren't isolated. DCP tries to attribute a worldview that matches his own more than it matches any non-Mormon. If this is the best that the LDS Church can come up with then there really is no hope for its future.

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai


Another part of the podcast I appreciate is Simon commenting on Michael Coe's MS interview. Simon points out that the DNA evidence did not provide a completely different conclusion than what archeologist had found in the Indian culture and life style. The DNA evidence confirmed what the archeologist had found in their diggings.

Of particular interest is the plants such as the potato, sweet potato, corn, tomato and etc. were all domesticated by the Indians. No old world pollen or seeds are found as the Book of Mormon would have one believe, it was the Indians who domesticated their plants and animals. For me the most disturbing part of the Book of Mormon is the deception it creates with members because they end up having no clue about the great society and intelligence the Indians possess. A number of years ago I was able to see the Mayan art exhibit and was over whelmed at the high culture that existed in pre-Columbian America that was new world in origin. The Book of Mormon not only misses all of this, but it in fact teaches people the Indians were completely dependent on the old world and were nothing more than savages without the old world ways of life.
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The LDS response to all this is to reduce the scope of the Book of Mormon inhabitants. Lack of evidence merely affects contemporary LDS belief in the size of the Nephite/Lamanite footprint. Soon the internal discussion on where the Book of Mormon occurred will be limited to 40 acres in Panama vs the west face of the Hill Cummorah.
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Fence Sitter wrote:The LDS response to all this is to reduce the scope of the Book of Mormon inhabitants. Lack of evidence merely affects contemporary LDS belief in the size of the Nephite/Lamanite footprint. Soon the internal discussion on where the Book of Mormon occurred will be limited to 40 acres in Panama vs the west face of the Hill Cummorah.


FS,

After looking at the MD&D board discussion of Simon's podcast, I think you have condensed their arguments into these three sentences. This is their only solution to the DNA problem.
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I really liked the podcast and I especially liked his comments about Mormon Apologists. The church doesn’t endorse them so they don’t have to take any blame but they do take credit when it is there. They are like the Church’s own French Foreign Legion without the funny hats
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Well, some of them do wear funny hats on occasion:
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Equality wrote:Well, some of them do wear funny hats on occasion:
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Well, I know that picture will have to go to Telestial, but I'd still like to ask who designed that kit? When?

Why not some kind of robe - easier to make and to wear, graceful and 'priestly' looking. And why, why the really strange hats - like nothing I have ever seen on a human head?

Is it known whether the design was imitating or adapting a pattern known from elsewhere? I don't think Masons ever dress up like that, do they? Ancient Jewish priests? I think not.
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Equality wrote:Well, some of them do wear funny hats on occasion:
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Isn't the guy on the right wearing the female apron? is that a form of temple cross dressing?
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l placed the link on MADD of Mormonstories and Simon and over there 23 pages laster

"Noel00 has been curiously quiet in this thread he started to give Southerton a stage. I wonder if the original post violated board rules about linking to anti-Mormon sites"

I did not know Mormonstories was considered anti
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Tobin wrote:No one in the Church talkes the apologists seriously, nor should they. Mormonism is about speaking with God and doing what God tells you to do. I know those outside the Church have their issues with Deutero-Isaiah, genetics markers, a distinct lack of horses in Mesoamerica and apologists engage them on those grounds. But, the apologists are really mistaken to do so. If they were truly interested in the answers, they would speak with God about it and find out the truth.


No Tobin!!! Mormonism is about listening to the Prophets and other GA's and doing what they say. Mormons have a relationship with men. Why can't the run-of-the-mill saint have a personal relationship with Jesus?
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