Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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Kevin wrote:It does seem curious to me that the only DNA experts that FAIR can muster, are Mormon apologists


And this is suprising....why? :wink:

Sorry you were banned from MAD, Kev...However, I could have predicted that it was only a matter of time before Dan G had to give into his modern Napolean complex. :lol:

Spurv...on an off-topic note....your avatar is confusing me. You and Bond are using the same picture; I am constantly getting the two of you mixed up at a glance. Any chance you could select a slightly different photo of Obama?
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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liz3564 wrote:
Kevin wrote:It does seem curious to me that the only DNA experts that FAIR can muster, are Mormon apologists


And this is suprising....why? :wink:

Sorry you were banned from MAD, Kev...However, I could have predicted that it was only a matter of time before Dan G had to give into his modern Napolean complex. :lol:

Spurv...on an off-topic note....your avatar is confusing me. You and Bond are using the same picture; I am constantly getting the two of you mixed up at a glance. Any chance you could select a slightly different photo of Obama?


And just as it was in August 2006, they cannot point to any particular thing I said that warranted such action. I broke none of the rules. None. My only crime was to piss off their favorite scholar Dan Peterson by pointing out the fact that he constantly misrepresents me. He is the one who got personal, breaking the rules by starting threads about individuals and creating a board war. People have been banned for doing that in the past, but he knows he gets to play this game in GOD MODE so long as he plays over at MAD.

But hey, I'm the bad guy. And Dan is the victim. Let us never forget that.
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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Spurven Ten Sing wrote:No context, just a post in their "what a ****tard Simon is" thread. Our expert is dourthec***yavenger and gives the following source: Underhill et al, 1996, A pre-Columbian Y chromosome-specific transition and its implications for human evolutionary history , Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 93, 196-200.

It really bothers me when people on this forum describe people at MDDB as "c****," and this is the second time that I have seen it happen in the Terrestrial forum in a single week. Please stop.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Most of us here can't view that forum because we're blocked.

Out of curiosity, how are they blocking you?

They tried blocking my account from viewing when they upgraded it to a perma-ban last week, but I just deleted cookies from my MormonDialogue cache and that took care of it.
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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MsJack wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Most of us here can't view that forum because we're blocked.

Out of curiosity, how are they blocking you?

They tried blocking my account from viewing when they upgraded it to a perma-ban last week, but I just deleted cookies from my MormonDialogue cache and that took care of it.


Yeah I know, but they're really not worth the trouble anymore.
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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MsJack wrote:
Spurven Ten Sing wrote:No context, just a post in their "what a ****tard Simon is" thread. Our expert is dourthec***yavenger and gives the following source: Underhill et al, 1996, A pre-Columbian Y chromosome-specific transition and its implications for human evolutionary history , Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 93, 196-200.

It really bothers me when people on this forum describe people at MDDB as "c****," and this is the second time that I have seen it happen in the Terrestrial forum in a single week. Please stop.

(Moderator Note) Thank you for pointing this out. Spurv, please do not circumvent the filter. It is against board rules. If this was accidental, next time, just please be mindful of it, and simply edit your own post substituting the *** in those cases. If you have a technical issue that makes editing difficult, please email me or one of the other Mods and we can help. Thanks!
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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MsJack wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Most of us here can't view that forum because we're blocked.

Out of curiosity, how are they blocking you?

They tried blocking my account from viewing when they upgraded it to a perma-ban last week, but I just deleted cookies from my MormonDialogue cache and that took care of it.

They had my IP address blocked for a while. I am sure that is how they are blocking Kevin. There are plenty of ways to circumvent such a ban if you are so inclined to do so. Kevin was the one who shared with me the various proxy IPs available. :biggrin:

He is right, though....the majority of the posts on MAD aren't really even worth the effort.
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liz3564 wrote:There are plenty of ways to circumvent such a ban if you are so inclined to do so. Kevin was the one who shared with me the various proxy IPs available. :biggrin:

Yeah. They haven't tried blocking my IP, but if they do, I'll just get my husband to help me circumvent it. He is very good with computers. I'm not.

liz3564 wrote:He is right, though....the majority of the posts on MAD aren't really even worth the effort.

I agree, but context is something I always like to be informed of, and we comment on MDDB threads here often enough.
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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So let me get this straight. Apologists are claiming that a paper written before the development of high resolution mtDNA analyses, and based on numerical models (instead of directly on results from analysis of thousands of real world samples), Trump's more than 50 (mostly later) papers, many of which are based on laboratory data (including high resolution mtDNA data), which show no evidence whatsoever for any contribution of a trans-oceanic migration to the pre-Columbian genome.

Sounds like a typical apologetic claim to me. Must be right. The fact that high resolution mtDNA analysis has been demonstrated capable of tracking the progeny of a single female who migrated to northern Europe from the New World more than 1,000 years ago apparently gives these knowledgeable apologists no cause for doubt in their single favorable published study.

Here is a post I wrote on this subject on another board some time ago. Apologies to those who have seen this. There are those who obviously have not.
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The well founded sceintific consensus is that there is no pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contribution to the New World Amerindian genome -period. This now rock solid scientific consensus means that the Book of Mormon narrative is pure fiction and fantasy.

There are any number of recently published peer reviewed scientific papers that support this consensus. I recently came across a review paper that listed and described more than 50 studies of Native American DNA, all of which were were consistent with, or directly support, the "no hebrew DNA" findings described in Dr. Simon Southerton's book.

In fact, one of the studies referenced below represents thousands of samples that were analyzed by an LDS supported genetics research institute, the results of which support a single population genetic source for pre-Columbian Amerindians.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080313-AP-native-amer.html

Supportive evidence that has continued accumulated since the publication of Dr. Southerton's book, some of which was obtained using next-gen high resolution mtDNA mapping, has been perfectly consistent with his findings.

For believing Mormons who may not have been paying attention to this issue and have put their faith in apologists who assure them that science is wrong or that the jury is still out on Lehite migration, the statement below concerning the scientific consensus regarding the origin of the pre-Columbian Amerindians may come as a shock.
"Here we show, by using 86 complete mitochondrial genomes, that all Native American haplogroups, including haplogroup X, were part of a single founding population, thereby refuting multiple-migration models." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2427228/?tool=pmcentrez

Below are a few more easily accessed papers that support Dr. Southerton's position.

http://www.plosone.org/article/information:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0000829
http://www.plosone.org/article/information:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0001764
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071025160653.htm
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/information:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0030193
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Re: Simon Southerton De-Diddly-Bunked

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They had my IP address blocked for a while. I am sure that is how they are blocking Kevin. There are plenty of ways to circumvent such a ban if you are so inclined to do so. Kevin was the one who shared with me the various proxy IPs available. :biggrin:


You can even make it so the IP you allow to be seen looks like it's coming from a different part of the world. But you'd probably have to be associated with DARPA or Russian Intel to know how to do that.....

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