What?????s wrong with Mormon Apologetics? My reply to Seth Payne

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Oh, what--*you* won't "go through some exhausted list," but you expect me to? That doesn't seem very fair, David.

Hey, you're the one who is asking for a list. I figure if you want me to create some list, it'd only be fair you offer a list of yourself first. So provide a list for what you are guilty of, please. We can start there. In truth some LDS folks might actually be guilty of some of the same things. It'll save us both some time.

Where did I ask for a "list"? Can you provide an exact quote, [real-life information deleted]? (And I see that you've thrown in the towel on trying to maliciously brand me a "stalker." An apology would be nice, if you don't mind.) If not, I'm going to have to conclude that you're twisting my words, and that you're hypocritically guilty of exactly the same thing you accused people of doing in the Schryver/DCP Racism thread.

You've been trying to portray yourself as someone who is earnestly forthright, and not a dishonest troll.....

[_Doctor Scratch]

Stop complaining about Dr Scratch. He asked you the question first. Man up Elbow!

for what it's worth, he said here on the board some time ago that his name is David. So, I suggest that we address him as such.

[_Molok]

Stop complaining about Dr Scratch. He asked you the question first. Man up Elbow!

for what it's worth, he said here on the board some time ago that his name is David. So, I suggest that we address him as such.

Thank you for that information, Doctor Scratch. I agree with your suggestion.

[_Kishkumen]

Whatever.

Oh, is that not true? Then tell me all about how you do not believe the Book of Abraham to be ancient but nevertheless consider it scripture. I am interested in your views on this. Funny I have hardly read a comment from you on this topic other than by way of allusion.

Then I offer you this piece of advice: just keep complaining about me.

I will keep commenting on your output here, if I like. Why should I not? I don't think it is really about you, since I don't even know you.

No. I'm not. I responded in that thread. I leave my response there. You can either respond to me there or continue to whine about me here and there. Or you can drop it. Whatever you choose. I support you.

Stem, when you attribute feelings to me, you are making it personal. That is quite different from saying, "the intellectual history of these ideas is X." You see the difference? You can't say, "you hate [personal feeling] x-person," and not have it be a personal comment.

You can say, "I think the philosophy behind this kind of discourse is x," and not have it be a personal comment. Get it?

Interestingly, Stak attempts to observe and paint all of LDS apologetics as being problematic for it's use of rhetoric. Sadly, that is a great word to describe the attempt towards DCP and Will. Weird how it almost always turns to you guys complainng about that which you yourselves do.

Yeah, you're not getting it.

I feel like I see through your attempts just fine and I'll call you on it. You go ahead and respond with a, "you're a dummy. You can't even imagine talkign on the level I comminicate on. I'm smart and I exalt myself in your presence." Blah blah.

Oh, no, you are not a dummy, stem. You are a troll. You really can't read my mind. You don't know what my personal feelings are, and if you had any real integrity, you would refrain from this illegitimate exercise of "seeing through my attempts," because what this is, in other words, is a bad attempt at mind-reading. You won't, however, because that is your M.O. as a troll.

[_stemelbow]

Where did I ask for a "list"? Can you provide an exact quote, David?

Sheesh. Here I'll connect the dots for you. YOu want me to tell you the things some LDS folks are guilty of. I assume that would be quite a long and exhaustive list, in truth, and would probably take me quite a while to come up with. I also assume most people are guilty of many of the same things, so I assumed you being so interested in other people's shortcomings would benefit from realizing that other's short comings are much like your own. You see if you were introspective enough to create such a list, you might come to realize that which you complain about, most, is that which you also seem to be guilty of most.

I'm here for you, weird anonymous character who goes to great lengths, apparently, to hide his real life identify, but seems to try to uncover the real life identity of others for his own enjoyment.

(And I see that you've thrown in the towel on trying to maliciously brand me a "stalker." An apology would be nice, if you don't mind.)

There are very few int he world who would view your on line games as anything but stalking, I assume. I figure, by now, you've come to embrace your tactics tot he point of being honest about them. I guess not. For that I'm sorry.

If not, I'm going to have to conclude that you're twisting my words, and that you're hypocritically of exactly the same thing you accused people of doing in the Schryver/DCP Racism thread.

You've been trying to portray yourself as someone who is earnestly forthright, and not a dishonest troll.....

I'm just being a person who has his own ideas and throws them out there from time to time to see how they measure up to others. I'm not trying to portray myself. I"m just doing.

[_stemelbow]

for what it's worth, he said here on the board some time ago that his name is David. So, I suggest that we address him as such.

Yes, it's pretty weird that you remember that and intend to use it. I also said inthis thread that I'd prefer you just regularly call me Stem or stemelbow, or mr. elbow if you prefer. Leave my real name for occasional fun, please.

There I asked you nicely. We'll see how it goes.

[_Aristotle Smith]

R.I.P. Interesting Thread, we hardly knew you.

Please people, this gets annoying as hell. I reiterate my beginning of the year request to ignore the mouth breathers.

[_Kishkumen]

There are very few int he world who would view your on line games as anything but stalking, I assume. I figure, by now, you've come to embrace your tactics tot he point of being honest about them. I guess not. For that I'm sorry.

You assume? Who is your sample set? DCP? The guy who invited everyone to look up his Amazon reviews and then complained when Scratch did it?

LOL.

[_Chap]

for what it's worth, he said here on the board some time ago that his name is David. So, I suggest that we address him as such.

Thank you for that information, Doctor Scratch. I agree with your suggestion.

So do I. It would serve as a continual reminder that I reject his attempt to pretend to speak through the faux-naif and folksy 'stemelbow' persona that he is now trying to re-assume after letting it slip when he lost his cool a while back.

I think it must be hot in there under the papier-maché Disney character head ... take it off David and write normally again.

[_Kishkumen]

R.I.P. Interesting Thread, we hardly knew you.

Please people, this gets annoying as hell. I reiterate my beginning of the year request to ignore the mouth breathers.

OK. I'm done with the troll. If there is a cardinal sin of discussion boards, it is trolling, and static and stemelbow have both proven to me, in spades, that this is what they are.

They are now both on ignore.

I'm done with them.