What?????s wrong with Mormon Apologetics? My reply to Seth Payne

[_stemelbow]

Why do you have to announce it..by announcing it you are attacking him ...and Molok has spent the morning attacking him. Sheesh there is so much attacking of stem..which makes for plenty of noise the very thing people have complained about with regards to stem. I don't see him initiating any attacking and harassing.

I invite everyone to go back to the point where I chimed in int his thread. I figured, silly me, a different perspective might actually encourage thoughtful discussion in this thread. In response, Themis mocked me. In response Chap and Kish started the personal attacks. It went from there.

I realize their plan works on this forum. People will put me on ignore and shut me out. Disagreement here is not welcome at all. Censure takes place as bullies pile on, demonizing occur, and the games run their course.

I don't care. I just find it all very interesting--your guys' methods.

Sadly most of you don't even realize what's happening. You just jump on board attacking, whining, and the like. I can say this for you, it's an adorable show.

[_Kishkumen]

+100,000

(Edited to add: I did get Kish's recommendation for Samuel Morris Brown's In Heaven as It is on Earth: Joseph Smith and the Early Mormon Conquest of Death out of the thread though. And Samantabhadra's comments were really thought-provoking. And of course, Stak's original point, that it's less form than content that is the problem, is, I think, an important way to re-situate the necessary criticism of most of what has passed for Mormon apologetics.)

Yes, in the future, I hope to improve the overall quality of my participation by focusing on those kinds of issues and not addressing the petty time-wasters like stem, static, and other such characters.

[_stemelbow]

I have nothing personal against, stem. I just find the whole effort to scuttle conversation through board litter to be pretty pathetic, and I am done wasting my time on it. Mormon Voices can find other victims. I am done being misused by them.

As soon as you responded to me, in your first response to me int his thread, in which you told me you intended to pile on me for something I haven't done, I knew we were in trouble in terms of dialogue. It was all personal against me in your very first response to me. I don't know why you deny it, other than it helps you appear more credible to your partners.

[_marg]

He has just been a confounded nuisance and a waste of bandwidth.

Well then don't respond to him...if that's how you feel.

[real-life information deleted]'s assumed 'stemelbow' persona was however convincing enough for a while to persuade me to waste a lot of time actually talking to him politely, or replying seriously to his posts.

Having concluded he is a troll, I think it is legitimate to express some displeasure at that wasted time.

You complained about noise chap, but you've spent a lot of posts which were noise/wasted time ..re: Stem's persona and that you think he's a troll.

[_Chap]

People will put me on ignore and shut me out.

I'm about to do just that, [real-life information deleted]. Bye.

Disagreement here is not welcome at all.

Rubbish. What is unwelcome is trolling and unamusing timewasting of the kind you specialize in. And that is all you contribute.

[_Themis]

I invite everyone to go back to the point where I chimed in int his thread.

My original post to you was precisely on this point, and your history here playing that game.

I figured, silly me, a different perspective might actually encourage thoughtful discussion in this thread. In response, Themis mocked me. In response Chap and Kish started the personal attacks. It went from there.

The old blame it on everyone else. Take some responsibility.

[_Chap]

People will put me on ignore and shut me out.

I'm about to do just that, [real-life information deleted]. Bye.

Disagreement here is not welcome at all.

Rubbish. What is unwelcome is trolling and unamusing timewasting of the kind you specialize in. And that is all you contribute.

Half a minute. The person in question provided that information on the board and openly, according to Dr. Scratch. Further, he acknowledged that this was the case when he said in response to Scratch:

Yes, it's pretty weird that you remember that

Information that has been made public surely cannot be dropped into the memory hole, can it?

[_Samantabhadra]

Wow you leave for like two hours and the whole place explodes.

I don't have anyone on ignore, but then again I don't think I've ever felt the need to direct a response at stem or static, and I wasn't here for the Simon Belmont saga. For what it's worth, I think everyone should follow Aristotle's advice.

Anyway, Kish, thanks for the book recommend, and thanks to Blixa also because I wasn't sure which book he was talking about! This is why I come here, there is such a wealth of knowledge.

On that note, is it too late to try to bring the discussion back to the OP? I thought Stak had some great points.

[_Chap]

Wow you leave for like two hours and the whole place explodes.

I don't have anyone on ignore, but then again I don't think I've ever felt the need to direct a response at stem or static, and I wasn't here for the Simon Belmont saga. For what it's worth, I think everyone should follow Aristotle's advice.

Anyway, Kish, thanks for the book recommend, and thanks to Blixa also because I didn't know which book he was talking about!

Is it too late to try to bring the discussion back to the OP? I thought Stak had some great points.

In fact the saga of the Faux Naif Poster Now On Ignore (FNPNOI) is in a way relevant to Stak's post, since it illustrated to a 'T' the main problem with defenders of the doctrines of the CoJCoLDS: they have little or no substance on their side, so they have to do all the work by style - abusive and arrogant in some cases, just plain timewasting, distracting and misdirecting in others.

But is there anything you would like to add as we sit here in this virtual deer-park, Worthy Samantabhadra?

[_Kishkumen]

Anyway, Kish, thanks for the book recommend, and thanks to Blixa also because I wasn't sure which book he was talking about! This is why I come here, there is such a wealth of knowledge.

You are welcome. Brown's book is a welcome sight. I also look forward to Don Bradley's upcoming volume on the lost 116 pages, which I imagine will also be incredibly illuminating.

Other things on the horizon to keep an eye out for will be Joe Swick's book on Mormonism and Freemasonry, but that is probably a ways off yet.