Leftist Bigot Bill Maher in the Stocks Again

[_madeleine]

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If you have a case (and I don't dispute there is a case to be argued on your side of the abortion question), there is no need to write in a ridiculously exaggerated way.

What it comes down to, is that I believe all human life possesses an inherent dignity that warrants protecting it. I have yet to see a convincing argument that the unborn, at any stage, should be dispossessed of this inherent dignity. Nor have I seen any argument, that would attempt to convince someone such as myself, that couldn't be applied just as well to an infant.

Perhaps exaggerated to you, but to me, I see no difference between killing the growing life in a womb, to killing you. I see it as, a lot of people have convinced themselves that human life is disposable, because it might be inconvenient, emotionally difficult, even personally dangerous. I don't hold the view that the answer to these struggles is to end an innocent life.

[_Bond James Bond]

I know plenty of Catholics who will vote for anyone but Obama, and are appalled that I'm not there. His poor judgement on the birth-control mandate,
combined with his statement that abortion is a blessing for his daughters, did him in for most Catholics. (Going-to-church Catholics, not Catholics-in-name-only Catholics).

The only problem with your post is that just about everyone is in favor of birth control unless 80%+ of Catholics are CINO.



As to the idea that Obama is down with Catholics polls show Obama still winning in big Catholic swing states like Pennsylvania where the most recent poll has Obama +7.

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.co ... esident-12

Really I think the only Catholic vote Obama has definitely lost is the Catholic Bishop vote over birth control.

Meanwhile Obama's stand has bolstered the gender gap with women he enjoys as evidenced by recent polling:


NBC/WSJ (5/15-20)
All Women Men Gender gap
Obama 47 53 40 +24
Romney 43 38 49


dKos/SEIU (5/17-20)
All Women Men
Obama 47 51 42 +19
Romney 46 41 51


Washington Post (5/17-20)
All Women Men
Obama 49 51 47 +9
Romney 45 44 49


IBD/CSM (5/17)
All Women Men
Obama 43 45 41 +10
Romney 40 37 43


Fox (5/13-15)
All Women Men
Obama 46 55 37 +27
Romney 39 33 46


PPP-PA (5/17-20)
All Women Men
Obama 50 56 43 +25
Romney 42 36 48


SUSA-NC (5/18-21)

All Women Men
Obama 44 50 38 +23
Romney 45 40 51

As to the quote that Obama said "abortion is a blessing for his daughters" I'd like to see the actual quote since I suspect he didn't say that and said something about "our [America's] daughters" that has been garbled over time.

[_MsJack]

Bill Maher is a member of PETA.

And yet, he makes fun of religion for being stupid?

Oh, that's funny.

[_moksha]

Bill Maher is a member of PETA.

Mitt Romney strapped his dog to the roof of a car in a pet carrier for a 12 hr car ride.

A major difference is that Obama would perfunctorily open a can of dog food to feed the dog. Romney, would look toward how much continuing conservative support he could accrue if he were to abandon feeding the dog and use the savings to decrease the capital gains tax.

[_madeleine]

The only problem with your post is that just about everyone is in favor of birth control unless 80%+ of Catholics are CINO.

I don't have time to hunt down the links right now, but there is a Pew poll that indicates only ~35% of Catholic attend Mass regularly. In Catholic-land, if you aren't attending Mass regularly (it is considered a grave sin to not attend Mass), it makes ~65% of American Catholics CINO.

But it isn't so black and white. Anecdotally, there are more than a few Catholic women who attend Mass every week but don't go up for communion because they are using BC. There are hard-core Catholics who would call these women CINO. I'm not one them. I think they are trying to live according to their conscience and are believing Catholics.

There is also a study that indicates the CINO Catholics didn't like government mandating birth control, even if they were in favor of it personally. Obama backed off of this quick enough that I don't think (personally) it will affect how the CINO Catholics vote. The regularly-attend-Mass Catholics, aren't forgetting.

As to the quote that Obama said "abortion is a blessing for his daughters" I'd like to see the actual quote since I suspect he didn't say that and said something about "our [America's] daughters" that has been garbled over time.

The scenario is more of, Obama made a statement that he wouldn't want his daughter's to be punished with a baby. Pro-abortionists picked this up and called abortion a blessing....the blessing of abortion being a resolution for the punishment of a baby. I can't see how any pro-abortionist would disagree. No? It is how society views pregnancy: a calamity, something that has to be "cured", as though a human life is an invasive disease.

Incidentally, I've had Mormons make the same argument. Calling a baby punishment in the cases where they think abortion should be allowed. So, I don't see Romney as any different.

[_Chap]

... Anecdotally, there are more than a few Catholic women who attend Mass every week but don't go up for communion because they are using BC. There are hard-core Catholics who would call these women CINO. I'm not one them. I think they are trying to live according to their conscience and are believing Catholics.

There is also a study that indicates the CINO Catholics didn't like government mandating birth control, even if they were in favor of it personally. Obama backed off of this quick enough that I don't think (personally) it will affect how the CINO Catholics vote. The regularly-attend-Mass Catholics, aren't forgetting. ,,,

You don't need an anecdote to prove that the great majority of Catholics in advanced countries use contraception: the family size figures show it. I can't see them going into the voting booth and voting against Obama just because he is in favor of the provision of contraception to those who want it. Perhaps you can, however.

By the way, the mass-going women who use contraception and don't communicate (and the mass-going women who use contraception and DO communicate) are also attend-Mass-Catholics, aren't they?

[_madeleine]

You don't need an anecdote to prove that the great majority of Catholics in advanced countries use contraception: the family size figures show it. I can't see them going into the voting booth and voting against Obama just because he is in favor of the provision of contraception to those who want it. Perhaps you can, however.

True that. There are also the couples who use NFP, but I wouldn't presume there are more NFP-ers than couples using BC.

By the way, the mass-going women who use contraception and don't communicate (and the mass-going women who use contraception and DO communicate) are also attend-Mass-Catholics, aren't they?

Indeed. I'm not one to doubt their faithfulness.