RayAgostini wrote: Since you approve of your daughter going to Church, then maybe I've misjudged you. But maybe you've also given wrong impressions here?
You approve of your daughter going to a church "founded by a pedophile"? A "child molester"? That's not really what you think, is it? You can see the goodness in the Church, as anyone else can, ... God bless your daughter, and the freedom to choose that you've allowed her.
Darth J. said:
I think associating with her friend who happen to be LDS has positive benefits for her.
He sees the good in her associating with her friend. He approves of that. Unfortunately, that involves her going to Primary. But no doubt Darth J thinks he can ensure that the harm done by any indoctrination received there is not enough to wipe out the benefits of having a friend.
There is no reason at all for you to conclude that he "sees the goodness in the Church". For you to suggest otherwise, given the clear evidence of Darth J's posts is simply perverse.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:He sees the good in her associating with her friend. He approves of that. Unfortunately, that involves her going to Primary. But no doubt Darth J thinks he can ensure that the harm done by any indoctrination received there is not enough to wipe out the benefits of having a friend.
There is no reason at all for you to conclude that he "sees the goodness in the Church". For you to suggest otherwise, given the clear evidence of Darth J's posts is simply perverse.
So he allowed his daughter to go along to a Church "founded by a pedophile" who screws 14 year old girls at random, so his daughter could "have a friend"? Makes complete sense. Here's what he actually said:
Darth J wrote:Or maybe you can announce without evidence that I just hate Mormons, and that must be why I say things that are not supportive of the faith-promoting narrative of the LDS Church. This afternoon, my little girl went to an activity with her Primary class. Clearly, I allowed her to do so because of my rabid, arbitrary hatred of Mormons.
The "friend" didn't come into it. He didn't indicate that it was "unfortunate" that she had to attend Primary just so she could "have a friend". He was trying to show that he's not an anti-Mormon. Unfortunately, just about everything he's posted here indicates otherwise.
MrStakhanovite wrote:Dear God, can this bad reasoningdie the death is deserves?
Pahoran wrote: It's like this:
Anti = "opposed to." Mormon = "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
Hence an anti-Mormon is anyone who is opposed to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
What is it with lawyers who try to ply their trade to apologetics and becoming some of the most ineffectual dilettantes on the scene? In any case, Pahoran is correctly parroting the FAIR Wiki here:
FAIRWiki wrote:It is somewhat strange that critics of the Church wish to somehow divest the term "anti-Mormon" of its clear meaning. It is composed of two elements: 1) the prefix anti- Noun: "A person who is opposed to something, such as a group, policy, proposal, or practice" Adjective: Opposed Preposition: Opposed to; against.
2) ...and Mormon, as a colloquial term for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
But the slow witted kiwi and the FAIRWiki have fallen into anold fallacious mistake that the etymology of a word is a factor at all as to the meaning behind it’s use. For a good counter example to this poor thinking would be running a similar analysis on the English word ‘television’. The prefix means “far” and the suffix means “sight”, but no one in the English speaking world understands the word ‘television’ to literally mean “far sight”.
Etymology is used to understand the origins of a given word, it doesn’t give any insight into contemporary meaning. I don’t get how a bunch of adults who act so sensitive to context can’t stop form making basic errors in plain reasoning by ignoring how language is really used.
Critics complain about the use of “Anti-Mormon” because they feel groups like FAIR use it as a code word to dissuade people from even considering a source, poisoning the well as it were, pointing out the etymology of a word doesn’t explain anything.
The attorney move would now be to ask the definition of "oppose," "against" and "critic."
Do theatre critics work for the destruction of theatres?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
Kevin Graham wrote:My daughter turns 8 in two months. My wife wants her baptized but I won't allow it until she is old enough to make that choice on her own.
You've already concluded that Joseph Smith was a fraud. So why does age matter? Why don't you just come out and tell your wife that you don't want your daughter being baptised into a clearly fraudulent religion?
Chap wrote:He sees the good in her associating with her friend. He approves of that. Unfortunately, that involves her going to Primary. But no doubt Darth J thinks he can ensure that the harm done by any indoctrination received there is not enough to wipe out the benefits of having a friend.
There is no reason at all for you to conclude that he "sees the goodness in the Church". For you to suggest otherwise, given the clear evidence of Darth J's posts is simply perverse.
So he allowed his daughter to go along to a Church "founded by a pedophile" who screws 14 year old girls at random, so his daughter could "have a friend"? Makes complete sense. Here's what he actually said:
Darth J wrote:Or maybe you can announce without evidence that I just hate Mormons, and that must be why I say things that are not supportive of the faith-promoting narrative of the LDS Church. This afternoon, my little girl went to an activity with her Primary class. Clearly, I allowed her to do so because of my rabid, arbitrary hatred of Mormons.
The "friend" didn't come into it. He didn't indicate that it was "unfortunate" that she had to attend Primary just so she could "have a friend". He was trying to show that he's not an anti-Mormon. Unfortunately, just about everything he's posted here indicates otherwise.
Darth J said this in response to your attempts to suggest that he must 'see good in the church' because he lets his daughter go to a Primary activity with her friend:
DarthJ wrote:
RayAgostini wrote:.. but for some reason, you still feel that being in the Church for now has positive benefits for your daughter,
No, I think associating with her friend who happen to be LDS has positive benefits for her.
Either you did not notice this, or you decided it did not suit the interpretation you want to force on DarthJ's decision. I hope the former is the case.
But in either case your post is clearly misguided. The friend did 'come into it'. She is the sole reason DarthJ allows his daughter to go to this activity, and he has said so. Live with it.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
RayAgostini wrote: ...From reading this board, one might conclude that Daniel Peterson is the most evil Mormon who ever lived. ...
Jeez Louise, I'm so tired of hearing this same old same old bullroar. Peterson his own little self has created this --- well, illusion isn't quite the right word -- this idea that he is the most evil Mormon who ever lived. It's his idea of satiric humor, I guess. It might have been humorous the first few thousand or so times he said it. If it weren't tedious enough, it became popular for dozens of his "little followers" to echo it day and night, for years and years now, like you just did in this thread (and as usual completely out of context). Not that I expect him or his lackeys to give it a rest. Just saying.
The person who is certain and who claims divine warrant for his certainty belongs now to the infancy of our species. Christopher Hitchens
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. Frater
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:Jeez Louise, I'm so tired of hearing this same old same old bullroar.
Ditto.
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:Peterson his own little self has created this --- well, illusion isn't quite the right word -- this idea that he is the most evil Mormon who ever lived. It's his idea of satiric humor, I guess. It might have been humorous the first few thousand or so times he said it. If it weren't tedious enough, it became popular for dozens of his "little followers" to echo it day and night, for years and years now, like you just did in this thread (and as usual completely out of context). Not that I expect him or his lackeys to give it a rest. Just saying.
I agree. It is tired. Very, very tired.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:If it weren't tedious enough, it became popular for dozens of his "little followers" to echo it day and night, for years and years now, like you just did in this thread (and as usual completely out of context).
Ray, with all your knowledge and experience, I just don’t get your being one of these little followers.