I want to save social security?

[_ajax18]

"I want to save social security." I can't tell how much such statements from the Republican party disappoint me. Being disparaged as a ruthless Nazi for wanting to get rid of social security made me feel on an island but I have found some hope,

http://ramparts360.com/2012/05/sos-libe ... ng-people/

Young people are actually comprehending that it's not fair that the older generation get to live above their means at the expense of those who come after them. Generally voters are just too stupid to pay any attention to the fact that the budget numbers don't add up. Openly cutting social security has become political death given that many older Americans feel that they are entitled to what they paid in, while refusing to aknowledge they allowed their Democratic leadership to spend that money long ago on disabilty, funding and promoting illegal and mass immigration, and every other redistribution of wealth around the world program imanginable which is in fact what social security has become. Young people are too often too shortsighted and too stupid to see what the older generation is doing to them, but they're also outnumbered. And the politics of that basically leads to slavery in a democratic system.

More people don't pay taxes than those that do. The Republican party is not built by the 1%. It's built by the people who have to go to work every day to pay for those that don't/won't do so themselves. And guess what. Working people could very well become outnumbered.

I met a 69 year old man the other day. He talked to me about wanting to see better so that he could continue to work. I couldn't help but admire this fellow. I'd like to believe that's what I will do if I am unfortunate enough to live that long. How many people would just draw a check and say, "I've worked all my life, it's time for other people to pay for my leisure." Instead he's still out there working 4 days a week, slowed down by age, but doing all he can to be self reliant. Such old germanic virtues are now as uncommon in this population as this man's last name.

[_Bond James Bond]

Such old germanic virtues

[_ajax18]

While the germans may have been very stupid about politics, their culture of work is part of what allowed them to be so frighteningly efficient even under the National Socialist regime. I found the third Reich to be an odd case in history because socialism usually develops and attracts welfare cases.

Every time I turn on MSNBC I hear terms like, "The war on the poor." What about the war on the American taxpayer being waged by those that breed them but force somebody else to feed them. Oh that's right, we're the slave class that is only here to support those that want to bring Latinos in to do the work, while our own people shamelessly accept welfare saying, "Just couldn't find a job." What will be the result of this mass immigration? I foresee centuries, even millenia, of payback for "oppression," of the immigrants at low wages just as black slavery has done in the past. Indeed Latinos see themselves as the new Negros.

[_Bond James Bond]

While the germans may have been very stupid about politics, their culture of work is part of what allowed them to be so frighteningly efficient even under the National Socialist regime. I found the third Reich to be an odd case in history because socialism usually develops and attracts welfare cases.

It's amazing what can be done when the government takes a strong hand in the economy. by the way American workers are some of the most productive in the world and they do it for much less than the average German worker makes.

Every time I turn on MSNBC I hear terms like, "The war on the poor." What about the war on the American taxpayer being waged by those that breed them but force somebody else to feed them. Oh that's right, we're the slave class that is only here to support those that want to bring Latinos in to do the work, while our own people shamelessly accept welfare saying, "Just couldn't find a job." What will be the result of this mass immigration? I foresee centuries, even millenia, of payback for "oppression," of the immigrants at low wages just as black slavery has done in the past.

Yes there is no "war on the poor". Oh wait:



As to the war on the American taxpayer, there are just as many whites breeding kids they can't feed so stop trying to make it about minorities like you always do. If you don't think so why don't you go to your local Walmart sometime and watch white people pay with SNAP and food stamps and other subsidies. America should be focused on creating jobs rather than taking away unemployment and poor benefits.

Indeed Latinos see themselves as the new Negros.

WTF? Do you know any Latinos? Talk about a "German work ethic" Latinos will work your ass into the ground.

[_gramps]

Pass the moonshine!

[_ajax18]

As to the war on the American taxpayer, there are just as many whites breeding kids they can't feed so stop trying to make it about minorities like you always do.

Agreed that there are white people who breed them and won't feed them. Either way, it still comes down to those that work and those that won't. And you've never been able to answer for me why it is that we need immigrants when we can't find enough jobs for the people already here. Latinos don't do jobs that Americans won't do. They do them for a price American's won't do them for. Even if they made the minimum wage $10/hr, that's still not enough to live on IMHO. When there's too many people and not enough capital labor is undervalued in the market. Democrats can't be both for the American worker and offer the American Dream to every immigrant who might like to have what we have right now. It might add up politically to winning an election by buying immigrant votes as long as the American worker is too stupid to understand the consequences of mass immigration, but it won't add up fiscally. Again we see the real reason the budget will never be balanced, what sells in a democratic election, is not what will actually balance the budget.

WTF? Do you know any Latinos? Talk about a "German work ethic" Latinos will work your ass into the ground.

Agreed that Latinos will work hard and I do respect that about them. But they also reproduce too much and it stops them from improving their situation. If they all work so hard, why can't they make their own countries any better?

WTF? Do you know any Latinos?

Yes, the exact words of the Latinos on the construction crew I worked with once was, "You remember how it was for blacks before the 60s, that's how it is for us right now." It doesn't matter to them that they came here not at my gunpoint, but rather against my will. In the end, it's always the white man's fault.

It's amazing what can be done when the government takes a strong hand in the economy.

The third Reich was the exception, not the rule.

[_bcspace]

Being disparaged as a ruthless Nazi for wanting to get rid of social security made me feel on an island but I have found some hope

I won't disparage you for that.

[_moksha]

Ajax, the concept of Social Security came from Germany***. I know you might say that came from the old Germany before Hitler, but I fail to see how gas ovens would be a good retirement option.



*** The German social security system can about, so the superannuated (old) workers could relinquish their jobs for younger workers.

[_Kevin Graham]

Young people are actually comprehending that it's not fair that the older generation get to live above their means at the expense of those who come after them

You clearly do not understand Social Security, which isn't surprising. It is a common misunderstanding, especially among the folks on the Right who love to attack it. Social Security is funded strictly from payroll taxes and you do not qualify for benefits unless you've paid into them. So it isn't the "young" workers supporting the elderly. It is simply a matter of the elderly reaping the benefits they spent their life paying into. And what's more, illegal immigrants pay into our social security system as well, something like $100 billion a year which they will never be able to get back. Your entire rant is based on ignorance.

Generally voters are just too stupid to pay any attention to the fact that the budget numbers don't add up. Openly cutting social security has become political death given that many older Americans feel that they are entitled to what they paid in, while refusing to aknowledge they allowed their Democratic leadership to spend that money long ago on disabilty, funding and promoting illegal and mass immigration, and every other redistribution of wealth around the world program imanginable which is in fact what social security has become. Young people are too often too shortsighted and too stupid to see what the older generation is doing to them, but they're also outnumbered. And the politics of that basically leads to slavery in a democratic system.

Again, you do not understand Social Security.

More people don't pay taxes than those that do.

!?

The Republican party is not built by the 1%. It's built by the people who have to go to work every day to pay for those that don't/won't do so themselves. And guess what. Working people could very well become outnumbered.

You're delusional. If this were true then why is it that 45% of Obama's donors are small donors under $200 while the percentage for Mitt is somewhere around 10%? Mitt's donors are overwhelmingly coming from a tiny minority from the wealthy class.

If this were true, the Right wouldn't be attacking Social Security in ignorance the way they do.

If this were true then the working class wouldn't be overwhelmingly Democrat. Unions are supported by the Left and attacked by the Right. Any time workers get together to bargain for a better deal, the Republicans are right there with their corporate money, lobbying against them. Whenever consumers are trying to fight for more rights against teh oppresive tactics of corporations, the Republicans are right there with lobbyist money trying to make corporations immune to lawsuit. The examples go on and on and there is usually a definitive trend where the RIght wing soaks up the corporate funded lobbying money while those who stand by the working class are generally politicians who hail from the Left.

I met a 69 year old man the other day. He talked to me about wanting to see better so that he could continue to work. I couldn't help but admire this fellow.

Probably because his SS benefits weren't enough for him to maintain the quality of life he desired. given the skyrocketing cost of health care, I don't blame him.

I'd like to believe that's what I will do if I am unfortunate enough to live that long. How many people would just draw a check and say, "I've worked all my life, it's time for other people to pay for my leisure."

Again, you misrepresent Social Security. It isn't a matter of others paying for anyone else's "leisure."

Instead he's still out there working 4 days a week, slowed down by age, but doing all he can to be self reliant.

That is a myth that so many on the RIght just don't understand. There is no such a thing as "self reliance." Living in society you are dependent on that society as well as the taxes they pay into. I highly doubt this man wants to work for the reasons to attribute to him. Most people who work after that age do so because they have no choice. Michael Moore's film "SICKO" interviewed a number of people who were working well into their seventies, working multiple jobs emptying trash and bagging groceries just so they could pay for their wife's prescription medication. YOu folks on the Right would have people work themselves to their deaths with no chance of retiring, and then act like it was some kind of virtue. As has been shown, thanks to the Right Wing philosophy since Reagan, wages have stagnated among the working class while production from them has continued to skyrocket, meaning they work harder and get paid less. Why? Because corporations want more profit. And they can only profit more by paying workers less than what they're worth. Thanks to big money in government, mostly supported by conservatives (such as the Supreme Court justices who weighed in favor of Citizens United allowing corporations to dump unlimited funds into political campaigns) the Republicans will always have an edge when it comes too their agenda of screwing the working class.

You need to read these examples of myths being propagated about Social Security.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html
http://money.msn.com/retirement-plan/5- ... eston.aspx

[_ajax18]

Social Security is funded strictly from payroll taxes and you do not qualify for benefits unless you've paid into them.

Isn't disability taken from social security funds. I didn't even realized that disability is paid out to infants (under 18). If you can get a doctor to sign a paper saying, "Yes she has dry eye, or yes she's cross eyed," then the parents can get $1200/month. I guess it only works if you have connections to the bureaucret writing the check though. I've seen Vietnam veterans who lost a leg during the war denied disability and told that his $200/month verterans pension was all they could give him. You want to ask again why I hate socialism?

something like $100 billion a year which they will never be able to get back. Your entire rant is based on ignorance.

I've seen people collecting social security for decades in Latin America because they worked illegally in the United states for as little as 6 months.

If this were true, the Right wouldn't be attacking Social Security in ignorance the way they do.

That was the point of the post. The right's platform is to save social security. I'd like to see it abolished.

Probably because his SS benefits weren't enough for him to maintain the quality of life he desired. given the skyrocketing cost of health care, I don't blame him.

Nor will they ever be again no matter how high you tax the current people going to work every day. You act like Social Security is still some sort of retirement fund. The government spent that money long ago on other things. They didn't save it. They paid it out to countless people who didn't pay in the form of disability. They paid people many times what they paid into it. Even with the people who died early and got nothing, nothing for their family, nothing, it's still bankrupt. You know that. Social security has become nothing more than a redistribution of wealth system.

Most people who work after that age do so because they have no choice.

I'd say that most people who work at any age do so because they have no choice. It's part of what it means to survive in this world.

You folks on the Right would have people work themselves to their deaths with no chance of retiring, and then act like it was some kind of virtue.

It is a virtue.

As has been shown, thanks to the Right Wing philosophy since Reagan, wages have stagnated among the working class while production from them has continued to skyrocket, meaning they work harder and get paid less. Why? Because corporations want more profit.

I disagree. It's because corporations are free to find people who will work for less. They'll always be another immigrant willing to work for less or do whatever it takes to win your job in the workplace.

And they can only profit more by paying workers less than what they're worth.

Now this, I'll agree with. Kevin, couldn't you and I both agree that minimum wage, or even $10/hour is not enough money to live on in this country. What difference does raising the minimum wage to $7.25 make anyway? I'm all for getting rid of cheap labor, but I just don't see how the U.S. could ever pull that off in a global economy. I hate cheap labor. I think it's wrong like slavery is wrong.

the Republicans will always have an edge when it comes too their agenda of screwing the working class.

Perhaps if the Democrats quit courting votes from the welfare class, they'd get more love from working people.