God Committed Adultery

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huckelberry wrote:From a traditional viewpoint, The Father does not have dna. In the birth of Jesus no dna from God was involved because god dna is a nonexistent absurdity. Therefore no sexual relation with Mary occurred by physical or nonphysical means. She is referred to as Virgin.



If a person believes that it makes any sort of sense to speak of Gods dna than the trinity must remain absurd to that person. That is why for the most part it just does not work to try to explain the trinity to Mormons. The underlying ideas are different.
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liz3564 wrote:It was an immaculate conception.

liz3564 wrote:Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I am so ignorant when it comes to other Christian religions. I would welcome other concepts being shared.

Don't feel bad. The immaculate conception is frequently misconceived.
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
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madeleine wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hi Mad,

That doesn't make any sense. Please explain?

- VRDRC


From the Christian perspective, using the Bible:

God Reveals Himself as One God, "Father".
The Father Reveals the Son.
The Father and the Son Reveal the Holy Spirit.

This is how God has revealed Himself. Christians through 2000 years have used theology and philosophy to explain what God has revealed about Himself. (Think of theology and philosophy as tools, that are used in faith seeking understanding.)

The part Mormons (and those with Mormon backgrounds) seem to get hung up on is the HOW. HOW is One God three Persons?

MCB answered that already. :) We accept, by faith, what God has Revealed. The Holy Trinity is called a "Mystery", which, in theological language does not mean we've thrown our hands up in the air and said "MYSTERY, MOVE ON!". It means, God has revealed a truth, which we accept, even if/when we don't understand it.

Mysteries are something we don't try to over-explain with human speculation. We accept that God is God, our Creator, and as a creation we cannot fully understand our Creator.

I can understand now why traditional Christian sects view Mormons as arrogant. They are attempting to explain something that is considered a sacred mystery.

This is really interesting, guys. Thank you for sharing about this.
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If God created Jesus'/his own- physical body by mating with a physical human, (Mary)....I wonder, who mated with whom to create Jesus'/his own- spirit body?
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madeleine wrote:
The part Mormons (and those with Mormon backgrounds) seem to get hung up on is the HOW. HOW is One God three Persons?


This Mormon does understand. Not in LDS adolescent not really thought through speculations but in revealed insights that unfolded the knowledge of God and how he moves upon his Eternal Round.

madeleine wrote:Mysteries are something we don't try to over-explain with human speculation. We accept that God is God, our Creator, and as a creation we cannot fully understand our Creator.


D&C 35: 1
1 Listen to the voice of the Lord your God, even Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whose course is one eternal round, the same today as yesterday, and forever.


Christ declares that he has a course, meaning a path, as Joseph Smith called it treading in the same tracks that the Father did. And it is a round course, meaning that all three of them continue on this circular path and therefore repeat each of the three stops along the way, namely, The Father stop, The Holy Ghost stop, and The Son stop.

The Father declared to Christ that he has glorified himself in Christ before and will do it again.

John 12: 28
28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.


It is inferred from the following verse that the Father was once a Christ and therefore shows Jesus what he did when he was a Christ so that Jesus can do the same.

John 5: 20
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.


Christ told the Jews in John 6, "what and if ye shall see the son of man ascend up to where he was before?" meaning sitting upon the very throne of power. That is where the Father is presently sitting.

In the Book the Revelation of John we know that the capitol of the universe will be moved from where it is to descend upon this earth. And we know that when it gets here this earth will be Christ's. This is telling us that Jesus will sit upon the throne of the capitol of the universe when it gets here and all things and made new.

D&C 130
9 This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants who dwell thereon, whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it; and this earth will be Christ’s.


Let's just consider for a moment what the name title Holy Ghost actually is referring to. A ghost of that which is holy. God is the Holy Father. So the Holy Ghost is the ghost of the Holy Father. Meaning that when all things are made new the Father vacates that body which always sits upon the throne and becomes The Holy Ghost. Christ steps out of his mortal husk that he raised up from the dead, which was NOT a glorified resurrected body, because it retained the scars of the crucifixion. (How come nobody else ever noticed this?) The sacrament where we eat and drink the body and blood of Christ will in that moment of transubstantiation consume the body of Christ as he steps into the body that always sits upon the throne of power.

So you see the mystery is solved and perfectly understood and represented plainly in scripture. All three are God, All three always have been God and all three get to move along the eternal round of their course repeating each station as they go. On God infinite and eternal without end, having neither father nor mother, nor beginning of days or end of years.

huckelberry wrote: From a traditional viewpoint, The Father does not have dna. In the birth of Jesus no dna from God was involved because god dna is a nonexistent absurdity. Therefore no sexual relation with Mary occurred by physical or nonphysical means. She is referred to as Virgin.


Yes God does have DNA. The existence of Jesus Christ upon the earth able to bleed proves it.
In fact the conception of Christ was on this wise as reflected in scripture. The Lord said to Adan and Eve that he would place enmity between the serpent and the seed of the woman. Which seed he has just multiplied and replenished unto her. We all know that this refers to Christ. Satan can bruise his heel but Christ shall crush or bruise Satan's head. So the first ovulation of Eve was taken to clone the Father's DNA and keep it until the time when Mary would be impregnated with it. Mary contributes NOTHING of her DNA so the immaculate conception is a moot point. (and absurd anyway).

Since all three share the same DNA this goes further to suggest that they are one. Even though there are in fact three separate spirit intelligences that come and go accordingly.

I suppose it was the DNA of God that these three invented first. Because it is very obvious that all life was back-engineered from that DNA. The science of evolution is looking through a glass darkly from the wrong end of the telescope. Duh!

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tana wrote:If God created Jesus'/his own- physical body by mating with a physical human, (Mary)....I wonder, who mated with whom to create Jesus'/his own- spirit body?

That's the thing, though. God didn't actually mate with Mary, or anyone to create his human form. That is where Brigham Young messed up. The Holy Ghost overshadowed her so that God could enter Mary's womb. No one had sex; that is why it is known as the virgin birth.

As far as who created God, it is another mystery. God has simply always existed.
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@Nightlion
Just to be sure I got this straight:
~Mary served as the surrogate mother to Jesus
~Who was fertilized em vitro
~From the sperm of God the father
~And the egg of Eve

????

And on that note, I am going to take up drinking.
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Look people -- Mary conceived by a man in the mortal flesh. The divine claims tendered by the Christian religion are just as stupid as the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3.

Listen. You want a baby in Jesus' time? Insert penis into the vagina and you might get one. It's that simple. To say otherwise indicates you are a religious BS cult pushing silly miracles.

Don't tell me about your stupid miracles you Christians! Grow up!! If a baby grows in a women's womb it's because a man layed on top of her and did it. It's called SEX baby. Do you all know what sex is??

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Shulem wrote:Look people -- Mary conceived by a man in the mortal flesh. The divine claims tendered by the Christian religion are just as stupid as the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3.

Listen. You want a baby in Jesus' time? Insert penis into the vagina and you might get one. It's that simple. To say otherwise indicates you are a religious BS cult pushing silly miracles.

Don't tell me about your stupid miracles you Christians! Grow up!! If a baby grows in a women's womb it's because a man layed on top of her and did it. It's called SEX baby. Do you all know what sex is??

Paul O

I am simply trying to understand other beliefs and how they fit into all of this. It helps shed light on why there is such a rift between traditional Christians and Mormons.

I personally believe that Jesus is a product of Mary and Joseph, but that is for another thread. :wink:
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Re: God Committed Adultery

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liz3564 wrote:
I personally believe that Jesus is a product of Mary and Joseph, but that is for another thread. :wink:


Understood. :wink:

I'm ready to take a shower and walk across the street to a gay bar and start my own miracles tonight. See the star in the sky? Hell yeah, baby! :razz:

Paul O
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