He seems more irritable and somewhat depressed. ..I spoke with ct about God’s admonishment to ask Him for the things that we need.
What a depressing situation to be in.. held against one’s will for years, and made to accept very delusional beliefs of those in control.
OK...just read this. Harmony is right. This guy should have his license revoked. A licensed therapist should not be counseling a client to live by a certain religious code. There should be specific goals in place to change behavior if the client has a behavioral problem. For example, if the problem is violence, then there should be a program of steps in place for the client to use aternative methods to acting out violently. If the issue is drugs, then a rehabilitation process needs to be initiated. There is no documentation of specific behavioral goals, nor is there any documentation of behavioral issues other than not believing in the LDS religion. This is unbelievable.
I assume tithing dollars went into funding Eric's stay at the Utah Boy's Ranch, and I assume that tithing dollars also paid for other clients.
Is this so?
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
liz3564 wrote: There is no documentation of specific behavioral goals, nor is there any documentation of behavioral issues other than not believing in the LDS religion. This is unbelievable.
I think it's probably like anything else... until someone complains--loudly--no one does anything about it, because this is obviously a church run operation in a state where the church runs everything including the government and the judiciary.
But that's not therapy; that's coersion.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
liz3564 wrote: There is no documentation of specific behavioral goals, nor is there any documentation of behavioral issues other than not believing in the LDS religion. This is unbelievable.
I think it's probably like anything else... until someone complains--loudly--no one does anything about it, because this is obviously a church run operation in a state where the church runs everything including the government and the judiciary.
But that's not therapy; that's coersion.
I would say that a lawsuit is a pretty loud complaint. Good luck with your lawsuit, Eric!
Getting this place shut down will benefit the children of Utah, overall. There are ways to run schools for children with discipline problems, but this is not the right way.
Also, from what Eric has told us regarding his behavior, I don't know that he would even be a candidate for such a facility, anyway. I am not excusing experimenting with marijuana or staying out too late with girls, but these are teen-aged behaviors that can, and should be handled within home walls, as long as there is not violence from the child involved.
LDSToronto wrote:I assume tithing dollars went into funding Eric's stay at the Utah Boy's Ranch, and I assume that tithing dollars also paid for other clients.
Is this so?
H.
In order to find the answer to that question, we need a full accounting of all tithes... income and expenses. Since we know we're never going to get that, we can assume this is probably another of those expenses the Brethren don't want coming to light. Funding a torture chamber for children would probably not rank real high on the donation meter.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
LDSToronto wrote:I assume tithing dollars went into funding Eric's stay at the Utah Boy's Ranch, and I assume that tithing dollars also paid for other clients.
Is this so?
H.
In order to find the answer to that question, we need a full accounting of all tithes... income and expenses. Since we know we're never going to get that, we can assume this is probably another of those expenses the Brethren don't want coming to light. Funding a torture chamber for children would probably not rank real high on the donation meter.
To find a 100% guaranteed answer, a full accounting is necessary. However, Eric provides a form stating the Church will pay for his treatment at the ranch. It's a reasonable assumption that tithing dollars funded Eric's stay at the ranch.
That said, I wonder how current and past tithe payers feel about this. As a past tithe payer, I am literally sickened. City Creek Mall is one thing, but using my faithful donations to fund damaging treatment is a whole new level of disgusting.
If you currently pay tithing, why? I am really interested in an answer - after knowing what tithing dollars are used for, how do you reconcile the low morals of those that disperse the funds with the high morals that you feel you are living when you pay those dollars to the church?
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
LDSToronto wrote:To find a 100% guaranteed answer, a full accounting is necessary. However, Eric provides a form stating the Church will pay for his treatment at the ranch. It's a reasonable assumption that tithing dollars funded Eric's stay at the ranch.
That said, I wonder how current and past tithe payers feel about this. As a past tithe payer, I am literally sickened. City Creek Mall is one thing, but using my faithful donations to fund damaging treatment is a whole new level of disgusting.
I've been calling for a full accounting for decades. This is along the same lines as the torture BYU ran with gay men.
The thing is, I don't care what slushfund they use to fund this, it's despicable.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
LDSToronto wrote:To find a 100% guaranteed answer, a full accounting is necessary. However, Eric provides a form stating the Church will pay for his treatment at the ranch. It's a reasonable assumption that tithing dollars funded Eric's stay at the ranch.
That said, I wonder how current and past tithe payers feel about this. As a past tithe payer, I am literally sickened. City Creek Mall is one thing, but using my faithful donations to fund damaging treatment is a whole new level of disgusting.
I've been calling for a full accounting for decades. This is along the same lines as the torture BYU ran with gay men.
The thing is, I don't care what slushfund they use to fund this, it's despicable.
But the Church withholds an open financial accounting year after year because...well...well...because you can just trust them.....yeah right.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
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Drifting wrote: But the Church withholds an open financial accounting year after year because...well...well...because you can just trust them.....yeah right.
It's just too easy to get caught doing that which you oughtn't, if there is no accountability. An internal accounting is useless. If they had nothing to hide, nothing would be hidden.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.