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Aristotle Smith wrote:
Rambo wrote:I think Mormons can call themselves christains but with the disclaimer that they believe in a different immortal Jesus.

KevinSim wrote:I've never understood the assertions by some groups that Mormons aren't Christian. They seem to think that for some reason I haven't been able to figure out, those groups are entitled to decide who is Christian and who is not. Why should anyone believe they are entitled to do that?


It really isn't any different than the Salt Lake Monsonite LDS church deciding who gets to be called "Mormon."


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Rambo wrote:Mormons believe in the historical Jesus that came to earth and died so they might be saved. They believe in the same mortal Jesus as christians believe.


The story of Jesus is that he built a road back to heaven and all you need to do is walk on it to get back there.

Mormons built a toll booth on the side of this road and they try to convince those passing by that they need to pay a toll --and then keep walking.

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Original Christianity requires that you obey Jesus' commandment and take no thought for your life WHILE you seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness. That is why after his resurrection Jesus told those Jews who believed on him to WAIT until they received the promise of the Father and got the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. They did this and either today or yesterday was Pentecost the day when many of the original Christians became that.

This is not the accepting Jesus as your personal Savior born again snake oil that is sold to the Christian world. For money, no, not really, but keep those funds coming in so that the WORD can be shared more and more. The original Jews had to be coached by Christ for forty days after witnessing his mortal ministry for up to three years to get prepared to fast and pray with one accord sufficiently before they had subjected themselves to the kingdom of God that the promise of the Father could and would fall upon them and transform them into the righteousness of God.

Christians have changed that gospel that is true to a McGospel that sells slick and fast and is most convenient to the pitchmen. And the purpose of getting the gospel right is NOT just to be saved. It is to do the will of the Father. That is the kingdom of God. The first act of doing the will of the Father is to believe upon Christ with full purpose of heart so that you can be visited of God and receive that unction from on High that is the earnest of your salvation. THEN you continue to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER being taught of God and led day to day as you continue to put his will before your own interests.

Folks, who has ever lived this manner of religion? NOBODY! Christianity is the religion that has never been tried or even understood. It is yet to be discovered.

And don't get me started on how badly the Mormons screwed up the Restoration. They repudiated the standard of Zion from the beginning and refuse to even look in that direction. No Zion means no true church. In Zion the will of the Father is done on earth as it is in heaven. That is what Christ commanded and did as an example. That is Christian and everyone out there pretending can enjoy all the money they make pretending and seducing their victims.

Saying Zion, Mormons, and Christians all worship a different God is stupid. It would be like saying you only believe in the first three Beatles albums for Christians while the Mormons accept St Peppers and white album. Zion of course is not even in the same league and could not care less about the Beatles because they are of the vain things of the world.
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Nightlion wrote:And don't get me started on how badly the Mormons screwed up the Restoration. They repudiated the standard of Zion from the beginning and refuse to even look in that direction. No Zion means no true church. In Zion the will of the Father is done on earth as it is in heaven. That is what Christ commanded and did as an example. That is Christian and everyone out there pretending can enjoy all the money they make pretending and seducing their victims.

Heaven... party of one.

Nightlion wrote:Saying Zion, Mormons, and Christians all worship a different God is stupid. It would be like saying you only believe in the first three Beatles albums for Christians while the Mormons accept St Peppers and white album. Zion of course is not even in the same league and could not care less about the Beatles because they are of the vain things of the world.

What a preposterous analogy. Your Beatles analogy would also include Jews, so your argument must be that Jews are Christians too. According to Joseph Smith, all Christian religions are wrong, so to label Mormonism "Christianity" makes as much sense as Christians labeling Judaism Christianity because Jews accept part of the Christian doctrine. The important factor in this definition is what doctrine the religion rejects, and all Christian religions reject the doctrine of Joseph Smith as false.

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The Beatles were Jewish?
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lulu wrote:The Beatles were Jewish?


Edited to remove crap joke.
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I think Mormons can call themselves christains but with the disclaimer that they believe in a different immortal Jesus.

Anyways does it really matter?


Can the "Christians" call themselves Members of The Church of Jesus Christ, which is the name the Morg insists the media use to identify them in second reference? The corporation wants maximum exposure as just another face in the crowd of right-thinkin' Christians for PR purposes, but then off comes the sheep costume when the flexibility is supposed to move in the other direction. Think of it this way:

Mormons join the softball league because hey, we're all Christians, right?
Mormon teen boy meets EV teen girl, now isn't this marvelous because we're all Christian, family-loving folks, right?
Mormon boy and Mormon girl come to the Mormon fireside and potluck because we're all just a big family of simple, PG-movies-only Christians, right?
Mormon boy and convert girlfriend get married and the family of the convert girlfriend gathers with their in-laws to watch their child take the most important step in her life because hey, we're all one big family of Christians, right?
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Drifting wrote:
lulu wrote:The Beatles were Jewish?

Edited to remove crap joke.

Crap joke still there, dazzling display of editorial power.
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Gadianton wrote:
I think Mormons can call themselves christains but with the disclaimer that they believe in a different immortal Jesus.

Anyways does it really matter?


Can the "Christians" call themselves Members of The Church of Jesus Christ, which is the name the Morg insists the media use to identify them in second reference? The corporation wants maximum exposure as just another face in the crowd of right-thinkin' Christians for PR purposes, but then off comes the sheep costume when the flexibility is supposed to move in the other direction. Think of it this way:

Mormons join the softball league because hey, we're all Christians, right?
Mormon teen boy meets EV teen girl, now isn't this marvelous because we're all Christian, family-loving folks, right?
Mormon boy and Mormon girl come to the Mormon fireside and potluck because we're all just a big family of simple, PG-movies-only Christians, right?
Mormon boy and convert girlfriend get married and the family of the convert girlfriend gathers with their in-laws to watch their child take the most important step in her life because hey, we're all one big family of Christians, right?


That's a very interesting point.
When the Church counsels it's young men and young women to not marry outside the faith do they mean the Mormon faith or the wider Christian faith? Hmmm...
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Drifting wrote:That's a very interesting point.

Were the Beatles the Beatles before Ringo?
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