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Post by **_The Mighty Builder** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:06 pm

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=204982 ... featured-4

If you want true depression read his self loathing instructional book "Miracle of Forgiveness"

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:35 pm

Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?

Repent. The MoF was right.

Post by **_Polygamy-Porter** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:07 pm

bcspace wrote:
Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?

Repent. The MoF was right.

Even about Cain being Sasquatch??

Post by **_Zelder** » Mon May 28, 2012 7:38 pm

bcspace wrote:
Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?

Repent. The MoF was right.

The issue is the description of what it means to repent. The degree of shame, pain, suffering, self-loathing etc associated with MoF is often considered harsh.

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon May 28, 2012 8:54 pm

Repent. The MoF was right.
Even about Cain being Sasquatch??

Do you find that in a doctrinal work somewhere?

The issue is the description of what it means to repent. The degree of shame, pain, suffering, self-loathing etc associated with MoF is often considered harsh.

There is sometimes a need for that; when someone doesn't believe what they've done is wrong or understands the consequences of such.

Post by **_Zelder** » Mon May 28, 2012 9:22 pm

bcspace wrote:
There is sometimes a need for that; when someone doesn't believe what they've done is wrong or understands the consequences of such.

Sure, like the rapist, the serial adulterer, the pedophile etc. The adventurous adolescent could use some guidance but I don't think they need to be hammered with shame. I think the focus on chastity should be less on sex and more on covenants, love and responsibility. Less on shame and more on developing a happy marriage and family life. It's astounding to me that they ever issued that crazy statement on impure and unholy practices in 1982. It's just an excellent example on how focused they were on sex which was the wrong focus.

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon May 28, 2012 9:56 pm

The adventurous adolescent could use some guidance but I don't think they need to be hammered with shame.

Again it depends. I personally don't have a copy and don't use it because it's not a doctrinal work. But I have read it and frankly. most of it is all too true. Some have asked me if it would be good to read and I have said yes.

Post by **_Lucretia MacEvil** » Mon May 28, 2012 10:08 pm

The Mighty Builder wrote:http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=20498289&nid=1000&title=your-past-does-not-define-you&s_cid=featured-4

If you want true depression read his self loathing instructional book "Miracle of Forgiveness"

I well remember picking up that book as a faithful believer hoping to find guidance on forgiving myself and my fellow men and being disappointed at finding nothing of the sort.

One Bible verse I truly dislike is "I the Lord will forgive whom I will forgive, but you are required to forgive everyone" (paraphrased) Hmm? Who is supposed to be the grown-up here? Not this God. All he apparently cares about is that we curry his forgiveness.

Post by **_lulu** » Mon May 28, 2012 10:14 pm

bcspace wrote:
Can you give me some advice on how to put the past behind me and move forward?

Repent. The MoF was right.

The M'therF was right?

Post by **_Doctor CamNC4Me** » Mon May 28, 2012 10:15 pm

This is the Mormon Cain:

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