liz3564 wrote:There are portions of the Bible which I question being literal as well (the global flood, Jonah and the whale, etc.), and yet, I find the work, overall, to be an inspirational work. I look at the Book of Mormon the same way. If someone is going to go to great lengths to send a message that Christ is the savior of all mankind, then I believe it to be an inspired work.
So, for you, it could be the work of a fraud and still retain value as a Testament of Christ?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
liz3564 wrote:There are portions of the Bible which I question being literal as well (the global flood, Jonah and the whale, etc.), and yet, I find the work, overall, to be an inspirational work. I look at the Book of Mormon the same way. If someone is going to go to great lengths to send a message that Christ is the savior of all mankind, then I believe it to be an inspired work.
So, for you, it could be the work of a fraud and still retain value as a Testament of Christ?
I confess to being a tad shocked. Perhaps then, the Hoffman forgeries could have been of some faith promoting use dependant on their contents? (again, I'm not poking fun or picking a fight. Just trying to understand a perspective that one rarely comes across).
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
I confess to being a tad shocked. Perhaps then, the Hoffman forgeries could have been of some faith promoting use dependant on their contents? (again, I'm not poking fun or picking a fight. Just trying to understand a perspective that one rarely comes across).
Why could it not be used in the same sense that the Savior used parables to explain gospel principles?
thews wrote:I didn't "twist" anything. You are a poser who chooses to sell your snake oil under the pretense that Mormonism is in fact Christian, when there isn't anything Christian about Mormon doctrine.
So Christ as son of God and through his atoning sacrifice, savior of the world, is not Christian doctrine? Or do you mean to say that the other doctrines you don't like overrule the doctrines that are truly Christian in excluding Mormonism from the Christian category?
Would you mind giving me your definition of "Christian"?
thews wrote:Just because you make yourself feel better by selling your BS to the itching ears, don't be so surprised when someone calls BS.
Same to you.
thews wrote:You are a hypocrite, a liar, and a false witness. You are Simon Belmont, bcspace and ldsfaqs all rolled up into one. You spew lies about Christianity to benefit your own needs while selling the word of the real Jesus Christ to convince people you actually believe them, when you know the snake oil you're selling is a lie. I hope you meet the souls you convinced through your words to follow the false prophet in Joseph Smith. I hope they tell you how your words convinced them to believe the words of Joseph Smith were true, even though you knew they came from occult magical rocks and incorrectly translated words from the pagan book of the dead. You can spew your "inspired" lies to them face-to-face, but know this Liz... you know this now. What were your conclusions Liz... cat got your tongue? Smile empty soul...
That's quite a lot of anger and hatred for someone presuming to speak on behalf of all of Christianity.
thews wrote:I didn't "twist" anything. You are a poser who chooses to sell your snake oil under the pretense that Mormonism is in fact Christian, when there isn't anything Christian about Mormon doctrine.
So Christ as son of God and through his atoning sacrifice, savior of the world, is not Christian doctrine? Or do you mean to say that the other doctrines you don't like overrule the doctrines that are truly Christian in excluding Mormonism from the Christian category?
Would you mind giving me your definition of "Christian"?
thews wrote:Just because you make yourself feel better by selling your BS to the itching ears, don't be so surprised when someone calls BS.
Same to you.
thews wrote:You are a hypocrite, a liar, and a false witness. You are Simon Belmont, bcspace and ldsfaqs all rolled up into one. You spew lies about Christianity to benefit your own needs while selling the word of the real Jesus Christ to convince people you actually believe them, when you know the snake oil you're selling is a lie. I hope you meet the souls you convinced through your words to follow the false prophet in Joseph Smith. I hope they tell you how your words convinced them to believe the words of Joseph Smith were true, even though you knew they came from occult magical rocks and incorrectly translated words from the pagan book of the dead. You can spew your "inspired" lies to them face-to-face, but know this Liz... you know this now. What were your conclusions Liz... cat got your tongue? Smile empty soul...
That's quite a lot of anger and hatred for someone presuming to speak on behalf of all of Christianity.
Thanks, Mak! I suppose he forgot to include you in his list of apologists.
Actually, he should be stunned that I am being defended by a male, which he obviously feels are more superior than females. He referred to my female counterparts as "hags" in an earlier post. This shows how seriously posters here should take him.
Drifting wrote:I confess to being a tad shocked. Perhaps then, the Hoffman forgeries could have been of some faith promoting use dependant on their contents? (again, I'm not poking fun or picking a fight. Just trying to understand a perspective that one rarely comes across).
I don't think the notion is at all rare that an historically inaccurate story could serve a spiritually edifying or fortifying role. While it's a perspective I acknowledge is a bit more rare, I'm not convinced that "word of God" necessarily means "true."
liz3564 wrote:Thanks, Mak! I suppose he forgot to include you in his list of apologists.
That in and of itself is how I prefer it.
liz3564 wrote:Actually, he should be stunned that I am being defended by a male, which he obviously feels are more superior than females. He referred to my female counterparts as "hags" in an earlier post. This shows how seriously posters here should take him.
I just got to this thread and haven't read much of it, but he never ceases to amaze me with his capacity for uninformed belligerence. I guess chauvinism shouldn't surprise me either.
Mak wrote:o Christ as son of God and through his atoning sacrifice, savior of the world, is not Christian doctrine? Or do you mean to say that the other doctrines you don't like overrule the doctrines that are truly Christian in excluding Mormonism from the Christian category?
Would you mind giving me your definition of "Christian"?
If Thews can take a moment away from his hate-fest, maybe he would be inclined to actually answer the above questions.
thews wrote:You are a hypocrite, a liar, and a false witness.
Stuff it thews. Did I mention that some Anabaptists were polygamists?
Ouch baby. If you actually believe I give a rat's ass what you think about anything, think again. You may want to replace your "stuff it" comment with something intelligent enough to answer. I get that you have Liz's back... she needs you.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
I suppose he forgot to include you in his list of apologists.