Critical analysis of the stone box

[Guest]

The whole history of the stone box and the gold plates is a study in incompetence, futility, and mootness.

The box, as it is superfluous baggage. Why store the plates in a box, when Moroni at diverse times transported them between physical locations, and in and out of heaven? Why bury such a treasure in the ground instead of storing them in heaven and delivering them as needed...... but when were they really needed?

The plates as they were by the best evidence, never actually used for "translation". Why even have plates? Why not just have whole scale revelations from the seer stones. Making the box doubly futile. The whole inefficiency of the process is a study in the incompetence of Mormon Jesus.

This history while incredibly incompetent is consistent with magic believing, stone looking, treasure hunting Joseph, turning the con into a better paying gig.

[_Quasimodo]

Now why would you hate to disagree with me? I'm glad for your criticism! It means you care about my work! Like you said, water is a concern and particularly where it freezes and thaws each year. Stone is very good at resisting compression but not tension, which would be exerted under conditions found on Cumorah.

I stand by my claim that the walls must be thick because this is a buried vault in those soil/weather conditions and in an area of moderate seismic activity.

Where was this box you mention stored? Was it buried in the earth?

I hate to disagree with you becuse you are usually correct and I end up looking foolish .

In this case you are also correct. The freezing and thawing would have a big effect on the stone. Something that I neglected to take into consideration.

Here's an image of my medieval kitchen knife along with a well used modern chef's knife. It's interesting how similar they are. The back of the old one is about 4 times as thick as the new one, however. I'm guessing that Laban's sword would have been in the ground for a thousand years longer and would have looked correspondingly rougher.

[_ludwigm]

"Bigger on the inside" could also indicate time lord technology.

No.

It is foot binding.


by the way "as far as it is translated correctly"
(simplified Chinese: 缠足; traditional Chinese: 纏足; Mandarin Pinyin: chánzú; Jyutping: gwo2 goek3; literally "bound feet" or Chinese: 縛腳; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: pa̍k-kha)

by the way "some elderly Chinese women still survive today with disabilities related to their bound feet"

[_Polygamy-Porter]

See the jskains quote in my Sig. God just created a gold that was lighter than normal gold. Crisis averted!

what a frickin' rabbit hole...

Lemme guess, Laban's sword was similarly made of a rubber/bronze alloy, thereby enabling it to fit all coiled up inside that tiny stone box.

[_krose]

Where is the stone box?

In Heaven with the plates.

Whenever I hear the "taken to heaven" explanation for the plates, I wonder what they are talking about.

In Mormonism, "heaven," in the sense of a final reward, refers to the Celestial Kingdom. I understand the CK will be here on Earth when it turns to crystal sometime in the future, not some separate physical place that exists now. So surely that can't be the plates' location.

Perhaps they are thinking of the Spirit World, which is what Mormon parents mean when they say "Grandma is in heaven." But I thought that was some kind of hidden spiritual dimension, not a physical place where a physical object could hide.

So I have to conclude that when people say this, they must mean the plates were taken to Kolob, "the place where God resides." Kolob must be where Moroni was based, and where he beamed from every time he needed to appear to Smith?

So why don't they just say the plates are on Kolob, instead of using the inaccurate Protestant "heaven" term?

[_zeezrom]

The whole history of the stone box and the gold plates is a study in incompetence, futility, and mootness.

hey!

This is my one little chance for fame, man! The stone box and Zee is like the Book of Abraham scroll and Chris Smith, or the Book of Mormon translation and Uncle Dale. Or like MMM and Blixa.

Okay, I let my head grow a little much.

But can't I have a study in more than futility here?

[_Quasimodo]

The whole history of the stone box and the gold plates is a study in incompetence, futility, and mootness.

hey!

This is my one little chance for fame, man! The stone box and Zee is like the Book of Abraham scroll and Chris Smith, or the Book of Mormon translation and Uncle Dale. Or like MMM and Blixa.

Okay, I let my head grow a little much.

But can't I have a study in more than futility here?

Bask in the glory!!!!

[_DrW]

The whole history of the stone box and the gold plates is a study in incompetence, futility, and mootness.

hey!

This is my one little chance for fame, man! The stone box and Zee is like the Book of Abraham scroll and Chris Smith, or the Book of Mormon translation and Uncle Dale. Or like MMM and Blixa.

Okay, I let my head grow a little much.

But can't I have a study in more than futility here?

Zee,

Your stone box analysis is relevant, incisive and devastating.

Since you are already famous, though, don't know how much it will help to make you better known or more iconic.

Feel better?

[_tapirrider]

The stone box description of Joseph Smith is just another clue for me that he was describing an Indian grave. There was nothing magical about it. He was a grave robber. It also reveals from an archaeological perspective that the Book of Mormon timeline of when the plates were buried is B.S. The use of stone box graves became prevalent about 400 years after the plates were supposed to have been buried.

A STUDY OF STONE BOX GRAVES IN EASTERN NORTH AMERICA. Ian W. Brown.
Tennessee Anthropologist VI(1):2-26. 1981

[_DrW]

The stone box description of Joseph Smith is just another clue for me that he was describing an Indian grave. There was nothing magical about it. He was a grave robber. It also reveals from an archaeological perspective that the Book of Mormon timeline of when the plates were buried is B.S. The use of stone box graves became prevalent about 400 years after the plates were supposed to have been buried.

A STUDY OF STONE BOX GRAVES IN EASTERN NORTH AMERICA. Ian W. Brown.
Tennessee Anthropologist VI(1):2-26. 1981

Thanks.

A good quality color image of a couple of these stone box graves, as they appeared a few years ago, can be seen on Page 16 of this article:

http://www.sitemason.com/files/g2RsMo/volume5issue1.pdf

It is clear from these examples what shape the (copper gold alloy) golden plates, the sword of Laban and the Urim and Thummim would have been in by the early 19th century, had they been deposited in such a stone box by Moroni 1400 years ago.