lulu wrote: You also might want to think about why US Suffragists worked so hard during Joseph Smith's lifetime to raise the age at which at a youth could consent to sexual intercourse. They could see that the common law age of 12 was just to young. Thanks to their efforts, the law here is in the range of 16-18. A much more justifable position.
Now, so neither one of us commits the sin of presentism, why did Joseph Smith not join the Suffragists in working to get the age of consent raised?
I new this had no basis in fact as soon as I read it. I wish I did have a good word for you BS.
"It was a tiny ad placed in an obscure newspaper. The Seneca County Courier, a weekly paper delivered to farms in the cold country where New York State meets Canada, ran just three sentences in its edition for July 14, 1848. The simple announcement invited women to a discussion of "the social, civil, and religious rights of women."
Opening of A History of the American Suffragist Movement
Get a clue, Nightlion, the Suffrage Movement didn't begin with the Seneca Women's Convention Edited while Nightlion was making the following response.
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
No, I figured out what you were saying and edited my prior post while you were posting. Your's was so poorly expressed and bizzare that it took me a minute to figure out what you were trying to say.
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
lulu wrote:No, I figured out what you were saying. It was so poorly expressed and bizzare that it took me a minute.
What my typo?
I new this had no basis in fact as soon as I read it. I wish I did have a good word for you BS.
How exactly is this poorly expressed and bizzare? Usually when people make stuff up they pinch it in between historical references. Not you. Just toss all sorts of crap up on the wall. All the other crap up there seems to stick. Why not yours.
lulu wrote:No, I figured out what you were saying. It was so poorly expressed and bizzare that it took me a minute.
What my typo?
I new this had no basis in fact as soon as I read it. I wish I did have a good word for you BS.
How exactly is this poorly expressed and bizzare? Usually when people make stuff up they pinch it in between historical references. Not you. Just toss all sorts of crap up on the wall. All the other crap up there seems to stick. Why not yours.
I couldn't believe that someone thought Suffrage started with the Seneca Women's Convention since it had been talked about since, oh, I don't know, Mary Wollstonecraft's A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792).
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
Nightlion wrote: I new this had no basis in fact as soon as I read it. I wish I did have a good word for you BS.
How exactly is this poorly expressed and bizzare? Usually when people make stuff up they pinch it in between historical references. Not you. Just toss all sorts of crap up on the wall. All the other crap up there seems to stick. Why not yours.
I couldn't believe that someone thought Suffrage started with the Seneca Women's Convention since it had been talked about since, oh, I don't know, Mary Wollstonecraft's A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792).
yeah, uhuh, sure, right, whatever you toss up. This Mary Wollstonecraft was a BRITISH author who wrote a BOOK.......she did not start the US SUFFERAGE movement. Just wrote a book pal..
Nightlion wrote:yeah, uhuh, sure, right, whatever you toss up. This Mary Wollstonecraft was a BRITISH author who wrote a BOOK.......she did not start the US SUFFERAGE movement. Just wrote a book pal..
Do you ever get anything right?
You're right Nightlion, and no one in the US ever read it because they didn't understand British.
Have a nice Sabbath.
Doing anything special for Trinity Sunday?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
Nightlion wrote:yeah, uhuh, sure, right, whatever you toss up. This Mary Wollstonecraft was a BRITISH author who wrote a BOOK.......she did not start the US SUFFERAGE movement. Just wrote a book pal..
Do you ever get anything right?
You're right Nightlion, and no one in the US ever read it because they didn't understand British.
Have a nice Sabbath.
Doing anything special for Trinity Sunday?
Thanks, and you know too that people have been reading the Book of Mormon for more than 180 years and still no Zion.
Nightlion wrote:yeah, uhuh, sure, right, whatever you toss up. This Mary Wollstonecraft was a BRITISH author who wrote a BOOK.......she did not start the US SUFFERAGE movement. Just wrote a book pal..
Do you ever get anything right?
lulu wrote:You're right Nightlion, and no one in the US ever read it because they didn't understand British.
Have a nice Sabbath.
Doing anything special for Trinity Sunday?
Nightlion wrote:Thanks, and you know too that people have been reading the Book of Mormon for more than 180 years and still no Zion.
Looks like you might be right, Age of Consent reform might not have started until late 1800s.
First US edition of Wollstonecraft was also 1792.
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
I hate to disagree with my dear friend Ray, but there is nothing acceptable about a 38-year-old man taking a 14-year-old girl as a wife. You can frame it as innocently and religiously motivated as you want, it's still unacceptable.
The fact that he had to motivate her with pie-in-the-sky promises makes the incident even more foul. Helen's parents mitigate none of this, as parents allow their children to be sexually abused all the time. And there are still faithful Catholics whose kids were molested by priests.
Fanny Alger is much better evidence of Joseph Smith's predatory behavior. I think the point of the article that my good friend fails to appreciate (likely because of the atmosphere here) is that many people would like to believe, but just can't get over certain deal-breaker issues like Joseph Smith Jr., marrying adolescent girls. Who cares if he never consummated his unofficial marriage to Helen? He promised a young girl things in the afterlife in order to get her to marry him. That's gross man.