DarkHelmet wrote:Part of being a Mormon is making covenants with god. Real Mormons do not take their temple covenants lightly, as you did. No TBM would say the covenants they made at baptism and in the temple are optional.
Yes, it was quite a big deal making those covenants -- solemn and spiritually serious to the extreme. But on the other hand, it was a joy breaking those covenants and pealing those nasty garments off my wonderful body and tossing them in the garbage. The joy and wonder experienced in breaking my covenants far exceeded any supposed (forced/pretended) joy I had when making them. It was a cultish thing to smother my body in Joseph Smith's Masonic rags but it was beautiful taking them off and enjoying the wonders of what my body is really designed for. Bye bye Mormon temple! Breaking my covenants was the smartest damn thing I ever did. I consider my temple coventants to be like slime in a garbage can that needs to be washed away in a new baptism! The baptism of lots of sex and worldly pleasure. Hell yeah. No modesty here, boys. I'm a bad boy!
why me wrote:Do you think that people are wearing garments all the time in hot places.
YES! Yes they do!
why me wrote:Some are in the pool
This would be a rare exception. We don't wear garments at the pool.
why me wrote:some are in their backyard wearing shorts or sleeveless blouses etc.
Wrong. This is not an exception. We wear garments in our backyards, we do not wear short shorts or sleeveless blouses.
why me wrote:It is common sense. Common sense.
It's obviously not common sense. The last time I renewed my recommend they provided a new statement about making sure we wear garments whenever possible. The general idea was look for reasons to wear the garment not reasons to take off the garment.
Hehe, the whole garment thing is stupid. It's underwear and crappy looking uncomfortable underwear at that!
Again, give members decals and let them wear whatever underwear (or none at all) that they want. The Church of God isn't in the underwear business, it's in the business of bringing people to God. The only point of the garment is to remember God and your promises to God. It isn't magic. It won't stop bullets nor poop stains. It is bonkers. Being Mormon has nothing to do with the garment - remembering God and doing what we promised God we'll do is what is important.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Hehe, the whole garment thing is stupid. It's underwear and crappy looking uncomfortable underwear at that!
Again, give members decals and let them wear whatever underwear (or none at all) that they want. The Church of God isn't in the underwear business, it's in the business of bringing people to God. The only point of the garment is to remember God and your promises to God. It isn't magic. It won't stop bullets nor poop stains. It is bonkers. Being Mormon has nothing to do with the garment - remembering God and doing what we promised God we'll do is what is important.
Yeah, Tobin is fighting against the Lord and regularly speaks evil of the claims given by the prophet Joseph Smith. He dared to say that Joseph Smith couldn't read Egyptian and has no respect for the Explanations of Facismile No. 3. Now we see he has no respect for the sacred temple garments.
Oh well, it's good to know that Tobin is on our side.
why me wrote:Do you think that people are wearing garments all the time in hot places.
YES! Yes they do!
And they are buzzing continuously: "It is not uncomfortable, it is not uncomfortable!"
Zelder wrote:
why me wrote:Some are in the pool
This would be a rare exception. We don't wear garments at the pool.
We (ehm...) should. It would be a real "I am a Mormon" ad.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
DarkHelmet wrote: Part of being a Mormon is making covenants with god. Real Mormons do not take their temple covenants lightly, as you did. No TBM would say the covenants they made at baptism and in the temple are optional.
What is real? Wearing garments is a choice. A member does not have to wear garments if they do not wish to. No one will be given the boot for not wearing garments.
Yes, it is true, that they have made covenants. But this does not mean that they cannot remove their garments if they wish to. Bottom line: it is up to them.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Tobin wrote:Hehe, the whole garment thing is stupid. It's underwear and crappy looking uncomfortable underwear at that!
Well, I don't know. In winter, a cotton pair can be quite warming. Bottomline: don't wear them if you don't want to.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Tobin wrote:Hehe, the whole garment thing is stupid. It's underwear and crappy looking uncomfortable underwear at that!
Well, I don't know. In winter, a cotton pair can be quite warming. Bottomline: don't wear them if you don't want to.
I understand that the garments aren't what is important, but the promises to God and the symbolism is to help us to remember that. I still view the garments as completely unneeded in the modern age and decals would work just as well for the purposes I mentioned. The lack of inspiration in the Church and ability to practically adapt to modern life is unfortunate. Mormonism would be able to dispose of many of the criticisms if they were a bit more clever about how they did things.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
2) Whyme can't provide a doctrinal source for his/her heretical doctrine.
3) That's fine by me. I think more Mormons ought to listen to him/her on this one... It makes sense.
- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
