Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:1) Whyme is teaching heretical doctrine.
2) Whyme can't provide a doctrinal source for his/her heretical doctrine.
3) That's fine by me. I think more Mormons ought to listen to him/her on this one... It makes sense.
- VRDRC
Doc,
I don't think many Mormons outside of the TBM cadre think very much of garments (nor wear them that often). When I first saw them I thought you have to be kidding me. I've never liked them, thought they were a stupid idea, and completely unnecessary. But Mormonism has a problem distinguishing between stupid traditions and what is necessary for the Gospel.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
DarkHelmet wrote: Part of being a Mormon is making covenants with god. Real Mormons do not take their temple covenants lightly, as you did. No TBM would say the covenants they made at baptism and in the temple are optional.
What is real? Wearing garments is a choice. A member does not have to wear garments if they do not wish to. No one will be given the boot for not wearing garments.
Yes, it is true, that they have made covenants. But this does not mean that they cannot remove their garments if they wish to. Bottom line: it is up to them.
If they want a temple recommend, they have to wear them. They cannot get a temple recommend if they don't. Now, that might not be important to you...obviously it isn't. But there has been a lot more significance attached with having a temple recommend than there used to be. I have seen active priesthood holders denied from blessing or helping to bless babies, have seen members denied callings, all because they did not have a valid temple recommend. I am not saying it is right. I am just saying that is the "reality" of being an active Church member today. It is true that when you were active in the 70's, Why Me, things were a little different than they are now.
liz3564 wrote: I am just saying that is the "reality" of being an active Church member today. It is true that when you were active in the 70's, Why Me, things were a little different than they are now.
And I understand this. But as you know wearing garments is a choice. If one does not wear them, there are repercussions. But it is still a choice. And one does not have to wear them all the time. One can head to the beach or to the pool without garments. And then head to the mall. Also, if I am not mistaken, Mormons are told that they should not wear their garments for the public to see. This would cancel out wearing garments to the gym etc.
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liz3564 wrote: I am just saying that is the "reality" of being an active Church member today. It is true that when you were active in the 70's, Why Me, things were a little different than they are now.
And I understand this. But as you know wearing garments is a choice. If one does not wear them, there are repercussions. But it is still a choice. And one does not have to wear them all the time. One can head to the beach or to the pool without garments. And then head to the mall. Also, if I am not mistaken, Mormons are told that they should not wear their garments for the public to see. This would cancel out wearing garments to the gym etc.
When I received my garments, I was instructed not to wear them to the doctor or the gym...anywhere I was changing in front of a lot of people.
This is also why there are special army style garments that are kahki colored for the military members.
liz3564 wrote:When I received my garments, I was instructed not to wear them to the doctor or the gym...anywhere I was changing in front of a lot of people.
Really? I wasn't told any of that. I was told to never let them touch the floor. Now, after having just gone through with my daughters, they were told none of that stuff.
Old wives tales, I suspect. And my DH's face was hilarious when I told him that we were told an old wive's tale by the temple president's wife when we got married... that it's not at all doctrinal to never let your g's hit the floor.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
liz3564 wrote:When I received my garments, I was instructed not to wear them to the doctor or the gym...anywhere I was changing in front of a lot of people.
Really? I wasn't told any of that. I was told to never let them touch the floor. Now, after having just gone through with my daughters, they were told none of that stuff.
Old wives tales, I suspect. And my DH's face was hilarious when I told him that we were told an old wive's tale by the temple president's wife when we got married... that it's not at all doctrinal to never let your g's hit the floor.
The church has changed over the course of a single generation. Military members did not have the colored garments prior to recent times but were stuck wearing the one-piece in full open view, generation after generation. The church didn't tell my father not to wear his one-piece when changing at the public pool. God, they were so damn ugly to look at.
The LDS church is a changing organization and the introduction of military garments is just another change to the pattern. Why didn't they do that 100 years ago? Mormonism changes on its own schedule according to its own desires. God has nothing to do with ugly Mormon garments. If there is a God, he probably finds them to be very unappealing and would prefer Mormons just take those ugly things off and live their lives without all that Masonic BS that Joe Smith stole from the lodge.
I think Mormon garments are a mockery to the human body. They make it look ugly and perverted. It takes away the beauty of the body and people need to be seen and appreciated in the best way possible. So, take off your Goddamn garments and start living. Those covenants are just covenants Joe came up with while formulating his new religion of absolute obedience to his word and command. Let go of the cult and shed the garment of Joe's priesthood.
liz3564 wrote:When I received my garments, I was instructed not to wear them to the doctor or the gym...anywhere I was changing in front of a lot of people.
This is also why there are special army style garments that are kahki colored for the military members.
When my brother was dyeing his garms green for his stint in 'Nam, he told me it was a military requirement, so he wouldn't get his butt shot off while doing his necessary business in the jungle. Nothing about "pearls before swine" or the like. It was just no white allowed.
I never received counsel like you did, and judging by my gym dressing room, either a lot of others also didn't, or they're ignoring it.
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