"don't embarrass yourself by asking about metallurgy..."

[_Tobin]

Nightlion,

I wasn't going to respond to him. He is either Themis/thews sock puppet or as you stated. In either event, I thought the question was ludicrous given the number of times I have told him that he is either pretending or really is completely ignorant of what others have stated on this topic in their own written accounts. I gave him one last chance to say anything interesting and he responded with a thunderingly obtuse question. Have fun.

Chap is right that you appear more like Nightlion then anyone else on this board. I guess my question you cannot answer must really be pissing you off.

First of all Themis, I'm not God and a human being and there are lots of things I don't know. You seem to have this expectation of perfection from fallible human beings which is shockingly ignorant of reality. Second, the problem I have with you is you are often incapable of responding to me in a discussion in any coherent way to it. At that point, I just ignore you because I have learned you just keep asking the same stupid question over and over even if I tell you I don't know the answer and probably nobody does.

[Guest]

First of all Themis, I'm not God and a human being and there are lots of things I don't know.

Nightlion doesn't claim to be God either.

You seem to have this expectation of perfection from fallible human beings which is shockingly ignorant of reality.

I never had any expectation or implied one. This is just the excuse you give for not being able to deal with the issues. I bet you can't provide anything I have said that implies this.

Second, the problem I have with you is you often are incapable of responding to me in a discussion in any coherent way to it. At that point, I just ignore you because I have learned you just keep asking the same stupid question over and over even if I tell you I don't know the answer and probably nobody does.

Perhaps the problem is you. You seem to not understand many of the questions people ask of you, and also get the incorrect idea of what people are saying. I see this from you regularly. I noticed Alfredo's question he keep asking was going over your head. I had thought to suggest to him that rephrasing the question might help since you weren't getting it.

I am not the only one who sees inconsistencies with your go ask God, since it never worked for you. You also don't want to think about the problems with the catalyst theory. This is understandable since without it you got nothing.

[_Tobin]

I never had any expectation or implied one. This is just the excuse you give for not being able to deal with the issues. I bet you can't provide anything I have said that implies this.

You just did. You just stated that in the quote below. Can't you remember what you said just before this post?

Perhaps the problem is you. You seem to not understand many of the questions people ask of you, and also get the incorrect idea of what people are saying. I see this from you regularly. I noticed Alfredo's question he keep asking was going over your head. I had thought to suggest to him that rephrasing the question might help since you weren't getting it.

Not really. Alfredo's question was him playing ignorant (for fun I suspect) of the scriptures and what others have said on the topic. I wasn't going to play with him and kept ignoring his questions because the premise was frankly stupid.

I am not the only one who sees inconsistencies with your go ask God, since it never worked for you. You also don't want to think about the problems with the catalyst theory. This is understandable since without it you got nothing.

You are sadly deluded about what the prophets teach and the scriptures. They all invite you to seek, see, and speak with the Lord. And you have yet to point out a problem with how I've described what actually happened with the papyrus. The only inconsistency is in your head. You are blatantly ignorant of how Joseph Smith was shown things (it was a painstaking process requiring concentration on his part) and make absurd assertions about how God had to correct Joseph Smith on such and such when it is clear Joseph Smith's understanding was constantly evolving and he often had mistaken impressions and had to learn and correct things over time as his understanding improved.

[_Sophocles]

86. PROOF BY ANECDOTE
(1) God can be seen by those who believe in Him.
(2) If the God is seen, then He must exist.
(3) I have seen God.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

PROOF YOU ARE A MORON
(1) I was an atheist at the time.
(2) See above.

If you were an atheist at the time, then how did you manage to exercise the necessary faith, sincerity, and real intent to qualify for a visit from God? You know, all the things the rest of us apparently lacked—even as true believers?

[_Tobin]

If you were an atheist at the time, then how did you manage to exercise the necessary faith, sincerity, and real intent to qualify for a visit from God? You know, all the things the rest of us apparently lacked—even as true believers?

How did Saul (Paul) see the Lord when he was actively persecuting the saints? How did Alma and his companions see an angel and be called to repentance? We are all God's children and God even loves atheists.

[_Sophocles]

If you were an atheist at the time, then how did you manage to exercise the necessary faith, sincerity, and real intent to qualify for a visit from God? You know, all the things the rest of us apparently lacked—even as true believers?

How did Saul (Paul) see the Lord when he was actively persecuting the saints? How did Alma and his companions see an angel and be called to repentance? We are all God's children and God even loves atheists.

I don't know. I don't believe either of those things happened because I'm an atheist.

[_Tobin]

How did Saul (Paul) see the Lord when he was actively persecuting the saints? How did Alma and his companions see an angel and be called to repentance? We are all God's children and God even loves atheists.

I don't know. I don't believe either of those things happened because I'm an atheist.

And neither did I. There is nothing wrong with being an atheist if you have no evidence of God either. Just be honest and open minded and if the Lord chooses to manifest himself to you, be prepared to accept that when it happens.

[_Sophocles]

When you were an atheist did you believe that 95% of the planet was deluded or insane?

[_Tobin]

When you were an atheist did you believe that 95% of the planet was deluded or insane?

No, they were just wrong in my opinion and I attributed it to superstition, tradition and so on. A delusion is a belief held despite strong evidence to the contrary. I don't believe it is possible to provide strong evidence that there is no God.

[_Sophocles]

No, they were just wrong in my opinion and I attributed it to superstition, tradition and so on.

Fascinating. And yet whenever you argue with atheists on this board, you set up the false dichotomy that the only possible positions are to either accept that God exists or else believe that the vast majority of the planet is deluded or insane.

I, for one, am tired of being a ridiculous atheist whose positions are utterly bonkers, absurd, laughable, etc. I just want to be a reasonable atheist like you used to be. Can you show me how? Or did atheism cease to be reasonable the moment you abandoned it?