The Wisconsin Recall Election

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Despite a last-minute smear campaign accusing Scott Walker of fathering an illegitimate love child, the governor’s recall election victory sends a clear message that should resonate around the nation: The fiscal cancer devouring state budgets has a cure, and he has found it. The costly defeat for the entrenched union interests that tried to oust Walker in retribution for challenging their power was marked by President Obama’s refusal to lend his weight to the campaign for fear of being stained by defeat. We’ll see how well this strategy of opportunistic detachment serves in the fall as Obama reaches out to unions for support.

This fight is not without precedent. Progressive patron saint Franklin Delano Roosevelt—who more than any other president set our country on a course away from the founding principles of limited government—knew that public sector unions would be the death of the social welfare state he worked so hard to create. Hence, he consistently opposed allowing government employees to unionize. Today, Greece sets the example of what happens when public sector unions gain the upper hand.

In 1959 Wisconsin became the first state to allow collective bargaining by government employees. The projected cost of supporting Baby Boomer union retirees now threatens to bankrupt the state, as it does many others. Scott Walker ran for office promising change. The fiscal medicine he is administering may be bitter, but it looks like it is starting to work. The state budget has been balanced. The unemployment rate has been dropping and is now below the national average. Property taxes are down. Fraudulent sick leave policies—which allowed employees to call in sick and then work the next shift for overtime pay—have been ended. The government has stopped forcibly collecting union dues from workers’ paychecks.

Best of all, the myth that union bosses represent their members’ interests has been exposed as a lie. Now that union dues are voluntary, tens of thousands of union members have stopped paying them. Membership in the Wisconsin chapter of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees union (AFSCME) has dropped by half. Membership in the stat’s American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is down by over a third. Given unions’ influential role in most elections, the national implications of this trend are staggering.

Walker’s message is clear: The key to bringing balance back to public sector labor relations and balance state budgets is to break the iron triangle of closed-shop mandatory unionization, compulsory dues collection, and oversized campaign donations to politicians that promise to do the unions’ bidding. If other governors take his cue and take up the cause, that giant sucking sound you hear will be the air coming out of union bosses’ bloated political action budgets.

The work in Wisconsin is not complete. The controversial law exempted police and firefighters, a political concession to get the legislation passed. Federal courts have zeroed in on this anomaly, striking down certain sections of the law because they do not treat workers equally. This needs to be repaired— by rescinding the exemption for public safety workers. With the recall election behind him, Walker may be sufficiently emboldened to do just that.

The power of private sector unions was long ago broken by many heavily unionized companies going bankrupt. While this was painful for both workers and shareholders, the economy motored on as nimbler non-union competitors picked up the slack. This approach is problematic for the public sector because bankrupt state and local governments cannot be replaced by competitors waiting in the wings. Yes, citizens can always vote with their feet, emptying out cities like Detroit, leaving the blighted wreckage behind. But isn’t Walker’s targeted fiscal retrenchment less painful than scorched-earth abandonment?

Chicago machine candidate Barack Obama rode into office to the tune of Hail to the Chief, promising the unions that backed him the gift of card check elections, ending the secret ballot that shields employees from union intimidation. He may well ride into retirement to the tune of On Wisconsin as the era of closed shop unionism comes to an end.

Governor Walker's Victory Spells Doom For Public Sector Unions


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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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Dist 23 State Senate race still not called. If Republicans hold on, the the Senate is tied 16-16. The mindless liberal thugs did manage to oust several last summer. If Democrats win, they still will have to face voter retribution in November before anything can be done as the legislature doesn't meet until January. On top of that, three Democrats are now up for recall this summer.

County by county, WI looks sufficiently conservative, when they turn out, for major conservative success in November.
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Curiously, collective-bargaining rights for government employees, the issue that ignited recall hysteria, have been all but forgotten over the weeks of campaigning. What enraged the union bosses is that the Walker reform legislation eliminated the requirement that the state collect union dues. Those dues of several hundred dollars a year are now voluntary, and once members of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees looked at their new paychecks, many of decided they didn’t need the union, after all. Membership fell from 63,000 to 29,000 in a single month.

Property taxes have declined since the reforms were enacted, private employers have added jobs and Mr. Walker estimates that the renegotiated labor contracts, including requiring employees to pay a fraction of their health-care costs for the first time, have saved school districts more than a billion dollars. Mr. Barrett and the Democrats prefer to talk about something else.

http://www.worldnewstribune.com/2012/06/05/gov-scott-walkers-compelling-talking-points/
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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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Public unions are now legally forbidden from negotiating for anything beyond pay raises capped at the rate of inflation unless approved by referendum. Strikes are also illegal. It's all part of that "free agency" stuff BCSpace pretends to like, but deep down hates.

Why belong to one when they can't do anything for you? The point of eliminating mandatory dues, which are freely negotiated and chosen, is to encourage free riders. Whatever the union gets you get regardless of whether you pay. And now they can't get you anything because the law forbids them from doing so.

The combined effect is to simply destroy the unions, which it will. Walker's goal here was simply to cut off a major Democrat constituency. BCSpace loves this despite it being a significant legal limitation on free economic decision making. And, by his own religious hobby horse reasoning, this makes him an unfaithful Mormon who does not deserve a TR. He probably should repent or resign from the Church.
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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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bcspace wrote:private employers have added jobs


At a rate that is one of the worse in the nation. So, by using this logic, do you think Obama has done an even better job because private employers have added jobs at an even higher rate nationally?

One of Walker's 2010 campaign gimmicks was a promise to add 250,000 jobs to WI by the end of his term. Based on economic forecasting at the time, this was a very modest goal that should've happened and then some regardless of who is in charge. It was a way of rhetorically setting up taking credit for the sun rising for reelection. Unfortunately, the state has underperformed projections for some reason and the state is way behind pace on this promise. It's going to be interesting to see what the campaign does if that doesn't come through by 2014.
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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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GOP Governor Scott Walker won the Gubernatorial recall election by a greater margin than the original 2010 Gubernatorial election in Wisconsin. In 2010, Scott Walker won the Gubernatorial election by 5.8 percentage points. During yesterday's Gubernatorial recall election, Scott Walker won by 6.8 percentage points. GOP Lieutenant Governor Rebecca Kleefisch won her recall election yesterday by about six percentage points. Two cities in California voted to rein in excessive public employee pensions. This is all indeed really good news from yesterday.

Lost in the Wisconsin Shuffle: Two California Cities Rebuked Public Unions Last Night:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/los ... 46713.html
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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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I don't really think too many people thought Walker was going to lose. The fact is he received $30+ million in campaign contributions compared to his opponent's measly $3 million. Most of his opponent's funding came from in-state donors whereas Walker was showered with campaign funding from outside the state, representing two thirds of his overall take in. Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of having state elected officials, when those who aren't even within the state can manipulate the outcome?

Way to go Citizens United!
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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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EAllusion wrote:The combined effect is to simply destroy the unions, which it will. Walker's goal here was simply to cut off a major Democrat constituency. BCSpace loves this despite it being a significant legal limitation on free economic decision making. And, by his own religious hobby horse reasoning, this makes him an unfaithful Mormon who does not deserve a TR. He probably should repent or resign from the Church.


+1

And this is why I laugh every time one of these Right Wingers starts to preach about the virtues of free agency and economic freedom. The Right has done more to betray that principle than the Left could ever hope to do. I tried to get Droopy to answer this for me before he left the forum.

Why is it OK to give companies unlimited freedom when it comes to hiring or firing employees, but then deny these employees the freedoms to negotiate for better benefits, better pay, better working conditions, etc? It goes against everything the preach about with the beauty of unbridled capitalism at work where fairness in price/pay is determined when two parties negotiate on a figure.
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Re: The Wisconsin Recall Election

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Why belong to one when they can't do anything for you?


So you're saying the information in the articles is incorrect? How so? WI saved over a billion dollars and balanced the budget AND increased "free agency" by making membership in the union optional. No one had to be laid off. This is why left wing arguments (and anti Mormon ones as well) are so laughable. They ignore the evidence which leads one to believe they don't care about a robust economy or balanced budgets. I think it's much worse. They don't even know what those are.

It is definitely true that a major Democratic constituency is about to be laid bare nationwide as Walker and Christie lead the way. Membership in public sector unions has been greater than membership in private sector unions (notice the HUGE drop in union membership in WI once "free agency" was restored by Walker) and they hold state governments hostage to their whims (more money, less competition). All this means is that the Democrats as usual are on the wrong side. When they come back to conservatism, perhaps they will become worth voting for. Until then, they continue to dole out false compassion, preach the gospel of envy, and enslave and desecrate the population.
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