In truth the complaints like this here would surely be taken far more seriously if this place had more that could be considered thoughtful and insightful. sadly far too much here is more like the latter two reviews which are complained about. Indeed, in terms of thought and insight the latter two blow this joint away by and large. That isn't meant as me condoning the latter two, so it ought to say something.
I know no one here is willing to listen to this type of thing. Truly if impact was the goal, then we wouldn't be witness the thoughtless hate and anger we see here. I say this for your guys' benefit.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Kishkumen wrote:If the educated citizens of Cache Valley were confused, you know there has to be a problem.
Hey! Now there is a post from David too. And we know he only intervenes when he has something important and novel to say.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:Hey! Now there is a post from David too. And we know he only intervenes when he has something important and novel to say.
Don't tell me. He has something to say about how, no matter the value of our criticisms, the fact that people say silly things on this discussion board so severely undermines the substance of our observations that we should have just not said anything. Yadda-yaddy-yaw...
Of course, the percentage of substantive posting actually goes up when he doesn't post, so there you have it.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Kishkumen wrote:Don't tell me. He has something to say about how, no matter the value of our criticisms, the fact that people say silly things on this discussion board so severely undermines the substance of our observations that we should have just not said anything. Yadda-yaddy-yaw...
Of course, the percentage of substantive posting actually goes up when he doesn't post, so there you have it.
Nope. Wrong again, kishkumen.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
stemelbow wrote:In truth the complaints like this here would surely be taken far more seriously if this place had more that could be considered thoughtful and insightful. sadly far too much here is more like the latter two reviews which are complained about. Indeed, in terms of thought and insight the latter two blow this joint away by and large. That isn't meant as me condoning the latter two, so it ought to say something.
I know no one here is willing to listen to this type of thing. Truly if impact was the goal, then we wouldn't be witness the thoughtless hate and anger we see here. I say this for your guys' benefit.
Stem strikes me as one of those guys who is always pointing out that film critics who have not produced successful films of their own have no business criticizing the creative output of others.
Or one of those guys who thinks that sports fans and commentators have no business criticizing the performance of professional athletes unless they themselves could do better.
Sophocles wrote:Stem strikes me as one of those guys who is always pointing out that film critics who have not produced successful films of their own have no business criticizing the creative output of others.
Or one of those guys who thinks that sports fans and commentators have no business criticizing the performance of professional athletes unless they themselves could do better.
Pretty much. It is entirely culturally appropriate for him as an LDS guy and utterly predictable, but fortunately for the rest of the world, things don't tend to work that way.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Sophocles wrote:Stem strikes me as one of those guys who is always pointing out that film critics who have not produced successful films of their own have no business criticizing the creative output of others.
Or one of those guys who thinks that sports fans and commentators have no business criticizing the performance of professional athletes unless they themselves could do better.
Truly I think some complaints here are good ones and necessary. I've said so many times. Sadly, the complaints won't be taken seriously by anyone when the promotion here is thoughtless hate and very little insight. Just trying to help. I mean I feel for many other folks.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
And in truth there are plenty of sports commentators who aren't taken seriously. Why? Often because their opinion is based on some personal hatred and envy for guys like LeBron James. Same with film critics--'can't stand that Tom Hanks guy, the film sucks!'
Wish you guys understood.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
stemelbow wrote: In truth the complaints like this here would surely be taken far more seriously if this place had more that could be considered thoughtful and insightful. sadly far too much here is more like the latter two reviews which are complained about. Indeed, in terms of thought and insight the latter two blow this joint away by and large. That isn't meant as me condoning the latter two, so it ought to say something.
I know no one here is willing to listen to this type of thing. Truly if impact was the goal, then we wouldn't be witness the thoughtless hate and anger we see here. I say this for your guys' benefit.
Hi Stem,
I think if you made an effort to ignore the "noise" you would find that "this place" has a lot more substance and insight than you may realize.
Some of the most intelligent and thoughtful individuals I have ever had interaction with post here.
At MDB, you get out what you put in. That's been my experience at least.
Anyway, I haven't posted anything here that I haven't said to some people I know who work with both FAIR and NAMIRS. I think the contrast between the fairness of Bushman's article and the vitriolic personal attacks in the other two articles is so striking, they deserve to be evaluated side-by-side.
I think if you made an effort to ignore the "noise" you would find that "this place" has a lot more substance and insight than you may realize.
Some of the most intelligent and thoughtful individuals I have ever had interaction with post here.
At MDB, you get out what you put in. That's been my experience at least.
Anyway, I haven't posted anything here that I haven't said to some people I know who work with both FAIR and NAMIRS. I think the contrast between the fairness of Bushman's article and the vitriolic personal attacks in the other two articles is so striking, they deserve to be evaluated side-by-side.
Seth
I'm sure from your perspective you are right. But sadly, the truth is these types of complaints won't be taken seriously by many and thus change will not take place partly because this place is full of so much hostility. I realize there are some good insights and thoughts here. They are just drowned quite often by the vitriol. The two articles you complain about come off as rather gentlemanly and thoughtful compared to the majority of what goes on here (and as I said I do not find the two articles all that helpful in the sum of things). COnsidering that, I can imagine why the complaints aren't taken seriously.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.