Mormonism not Christian...

[_lulu]

Less than half as dry as Mike Quinn's works.

Not too many people will give Quinn style points. But my God, he must have 1/2 of the church archives on yellow legal pads. And then his brain was able to synthesize it all.

[_MCB]

But my God, he must have 1/2 of the church archives on yellow legal pads. And then his brain was able to synthesize it all.

The level of sublimation that Mormon gays go to in order to distract themselves from sexuality is absolutely amazing. AWESOME!

[_lulu]

No. But not being a Christian is not a condemnatory thing. That is one reason why I am looking at calling Mormonism gnostic, opposed to mystic, because to them, non-Christian is a condemnatory label. There are many people who are not Christians who lead good, ethical lives. Dali Lama. They are deeply entwined, especially him, in their own cultural heritage. They mis-percieve that they must give up their cultural heritage in order to be Christian. There is a lot of stuff in the CCC about enculturation and cultural diversity in the catholic church.

Have you read Harold Bloom on the American Religion? He thinks Americans are all a bunch of Gnostic mystic wanna be's. Including atheist him.

[_MCB]

No, I haven't, and probably ought to. With all that new age stuff, that is a good perception.

[_why me]

No. But not being a Christian is not a condemnatory thing. That is one reason why I am looking at calling Mormonism gnostic, opposed to mystic, because to them, non-Christian is a condemnatory label. There are many people who are not Christians who lead good, ethical lives. Dali Lama.

Are catholics christian? Maybe we can classify them as non-christian. And then lets see what happens. For after all, they are some good people out there like the Dali Lama who are not christian. Catholic need to see this too since they are not christian.

Would that logic be okay for you?

[_why me]

The level of sublimation that Mormon gays go to in order to distract themselves from sexuality is absolutely amazing. AWESOME!

Catholics and Mormons are on almost the same page when it comes to homosexuality and sex. Do catholics encourage same sex relations? How do catholic gay men come to terms with their sexual attraction and with their own sexuality?

[_lulu]

No, I haven't, and probably ought to. With all that new age stuff, that is a good perception.

Ah, but there's the rub, he thinks Mormons and Southern Baptists are the prime examples.

[_MCB]

I don't know about Southern Baptists, but Mormonism is old new age, with all that occult stuff.

I'd better get back to work. Correlating the reference text with my text is a beastly task, but has to be done. I'll meditate on Mike Quinn as I do it.

[_madeleine]

edit to add: St. Basil held an opinion, that has never been doctrine.

I was wondering if you would make the bcspace move

St. Basil expressed an opinion at a time when baptismal practice of Christian converts was more than firm. Case in point are the Arians, who on conversion to catholic Christianity were NOT baptized.

Also are the understandings of the effects of baptism...a permanent mark on one's soul, initiation into the Kingdom of God, sealed by the Holy Spirit to Christ. These cannot be repeated, and it is blasphemous to do so.


Theologians have opinions. Opinions are not doctrines. Never have been, never will be. Theology and philosophy, together, describe Catholic doctrines. What doctrine was St. Basil describing? None at all. Therefore he had a opinion.

I don't know bcspace, but you should be aware, when a poster has changed the topic to me...I see it as a sign they have nothing more to give on the thread topic.

Unable to respond really, to what St. Basil said and how it fits into the context of Christian baptism. Instead sit in the mud and fling it.

Which no doubt can be fun.

[_Samantabhadra]

Also are the understandings of the effects of baptism...a permanent mark on one's soul, initiation into the Kingdom of God, sealed by the Holy Spirit to Christ.

This is exactly why I feel that, whatever else I do or say, I am Christian: I was baptized in Apostolic Christianity, and I take the effects of that baptism seriously.

lulu, I see your point, but I think you are missing that "heretics" are people who deviate from Apostolic, Trinitarian Christianity. Mormons were never Apostolic and never Trinitarian. So I have a hard time accepting the idea that they are any more "Christian" than my "heathen" Hindu friend.