Charity = responsibility?

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Re: Charity = responsibility?

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RayAgostini wrote:
Maybe that's why posters like Pahoran feel that responsibility comes first. To call out apostates and apostate scum for what they are.


That's some mighty charity.

Indulge!

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RayAgostini wrote:
The same guy who died on the cross, is the same guy who called the scribes and Pharisees, "serpents and vipers".


Two of my favorite animals!

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mercyngrace wrote:
They do tell us this, through metaphor. The key phrase is "Am I my brother's keeper?"


I know I've heard this before, somewhere, a while back....

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Drifting wrote:
mercyngrace wrote:They do tell us this, through metaphor. The key phrase is "Am I my brother's keeper?"


Or "Are you your keepers brother?"


Yes, I am.

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Lucifer wrote:
Drifting wrote:Or "Are you your keepers brother?"


Yes, I am.

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We keep missing you, brother. How 'bout we sit down for a nice cup of coffee at the little café in Cedar City? The biscuits and white gravy are on us!
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Two of Three wrote:
We keep missing you, brother. How 'bout we sit down for a nice cup of coffee at the little café in Cedar City? The biscuits and white gravy are on us!


Coffee, Cedar City and biscuits and gravy - the perfect trifecta of evil. Meet at noon?

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RayAgostini wrote:Maybe that's why posters like Pahoran feel that responsibility comes first. To call out apostates and apostate scum for what they are. Charity will follow the desired repentance.

So yes, responsibility comes first. :eek:


Yes, I agree that Pahoran is responsible for the negative impact his behavior has on others.
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RayAgostini wrote:I could put it another way, too. In reviewing books critical of Mormonism, which should come first? The need for charity? "Bless this book." Or the need for a critical review? Should "charity" come first, here? Shut down the MI, and send them all off to a retreat where they learn "charity first"?



Here's an idea: give the book a critical review, but stick to the book and leave the personality and spirituality of the person who wrote the book (as well as other impertinent and prejudicial details) out of it.

It seems like a reasonable and wise course of action to me.
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Kishkumen wrote:
RayAgostini wrote:Maybe that's why posters like Pahoran feel that responsibility comes first. To call out apostates and apostate scum for what they are. Charity will follow the desired repentance.

So yes, responsibility comes first. :eek:


Yes, I agree that Pahoran is responsible for the negative impact his behavior has on others.


What exactly is the difference in Ray's mind between 'apostates' and 'apostate scum', I wonder?

(Isn't Ray an apostate - he does not believe in the doctrines of the CoJCoLDS, if I recall rightly? But presumably he leaves no ring round the bath, spiritually speaking at least?)
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Re: Charity = responsibility?

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Chap wrote:What exactly is the difference in Ray's mind between 'apostates' and 'apostate scum', I wonder?

(Isn't Ray an apostate - he does not believe in the doctrines of the CoJCoLDS, if I recall rightly? But presumably he leaves no ring round the bath, spiritually speaking at least?)


I think Ray is speaking tongue in cheek here.
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