The Peterson/Schryver Inquisition

[_Tarski]

Look at what he is saying: these people consciously revolt, but they are sneaky, so sneaky in fact that they might not be able to admit their revolt to themselves..

Perhaps he doesn't know what consciously means.

(I still smell a Quinn thing here)

[_Kishkumen]

Perhaps he doesn't know what consciously means.

(I still smell a Quinn thing here)

No, he knows what this means. I think they really do believe they can smell out the Satanic rat in the poor victim who needs reform, whether he knows it or not. It is the perfect recipe for a witch hunt.

[_Blixa]

Wow, I'm impressed that Volgadon is standing his ground:
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He's going to wind up on the "black list," alongside other "fifth columnists" like LoaP and Brian Hauglid.

Volgadon is an awesome fellow. Any group that loses his voice, just plain loses.

Agreed. I've always been impressed by him.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Probably John Dehlin, if I had to guess. This is probably a set-up for whatever version of Greg Smith's "hit piece" winds up in the Review.

I had another person in mind too.
Quinn?

Why do you say that? I haven't been under the impression that Quinn is on their radar, and I would guess that they feel that they've sufficiently poisoned the well against him. Maybe if/when he has a new book out they'll attack him, but this latest language suggests they're targeting TR-carrying members.

[Guest]

Why do you say that? I haven't been under the impression that Quinn is on their radar, and I would guess that they feel that they've sufficiently poisoned the well against him. Maybe if/when he has a new book out they'll attack him, but this latest language suggests they're targeting TR-carrying members.

I don't see Quinn in this either. Quinn is old news. It is John Dehlin, Joanna Brooks, the StayLDS crew, and perhaps even some people closer to the BYU group who are the target of this language. All I can say is that when Schryver is taking credit for the idea, expect the worst and hope for the best.

[_Blixa]

Why do you say that? I haven't been under the impression that Quinn is on their radar, and I would guess that they feel that they've sufficiently poisoned the well against him. Maybe if/when he has a new book out they'll attack him, but this latest language suggests they're targeting TR-carrying members.

I don't see Quinn in this either. Quinn is old news. It is John Dehlin, Joanna Brooks, the StayMormon crew, and perhaps even some people closer to the BYU group who are the target of this language. All I can say is that when Schryver is taking credit for the idea, expect the worst and hope for the best.

Perhaps he's trying Jedediah Grant's pants on for size...

[_Kishkumen]

Perhaps he's trying Jedediah Grant's pants on for size...

Undoubtedly that is the kind of mantle he has always aspired to.

[_Tarski]

Why do you say that? I haven't been under the impression that Quinn is on their radar, and I would guess that they feel that they've sufficiently poisoned the well against him. .

Right, of course. I don't mean that Quinn is a concern. Just the opposite. I mean that Quinn is a sort of prototype and a success story for spiritual McCarthyism--a least for someone. Quinn lurks in the background in some sense.

John will be Quinned.

[_Gadianton]

Either they are...

lol. you have a keen eye, Reverend.

Well, think about it this way, which apostate is worse, the one guilty of open and brazen rebellion against God or the one serving Satan unwittingly while steeped in cowardly self-deception? It's a tough one to call, so why not pick both? Why not paint the interlocutors of the apologists as entities so bad, that they represent both extremes of the spectrum? Twisted contradictions that gnaw their tongues in an anguished, discordant testimony to nihilism?

You have a real point about "turture" likely being the acceptable way to handle apostates/critics -- anyone really, who doesn't toe the Mopologetic party line. It was asked in the MDD thread how apostates (the people on this board, for instance) should be handled, and noted that we are to liken the scriptures unto ourselves. Well, How was Alma the Younger handled? An angel struck him down and tortured him with hell fire for several days, until he had been "room 101'd" into the Lord's service.

[_bcspace]

Cinepro's reply to Schryver's post is a classic. Click here to read it.

Besides NOM's, I think one has to look no further than the Democratic Party to identify the enemies within the Church.