Shocked by Polygamy

[_gdemetz]

Are you just trying to make points with your post? This has all been explained to you before! FAIR also explains this well for any who are REALLY seeking for the truth!

[_Drifting]

Are you just trying to make points with your post? This has all been explained to you before! FAIR also explains this well for any who are REALLY seeking for the truth!

Sorry but FAIR is not an official representative of what the Church officially believes/states/teaches. So they cannot be relied upon for the truth.

[_Yoda]

Joseph Smith had many more than six wives, but he didn't father forty- three children! Where did you come up with that hogwash?

Wait...do you believe that Joseph never consummated his marriages?

[_gdemetz]

Yes, I don't believe that he did, with of course, a few exceptions which many are aware of, such as Emma. There has never been any DNA evidence in all of the many reported marriages to support that he did.

Also, it is not reasonable to think that he would have had the support from those who knew him best if he were the type of character that the apostates and other anti's try to make him out to be for the following obvious reasons:

1. No "credible evidence exists beyond the tabloid level accusations supporting it. Most serious researchers {not including some here, of course, who have tabloid type doubts that the Book of Mormon witnesses signed anything!} would not draw strict conclusions based upon the sensationalized claims that are currently available {which, of course, would also not include some here}"

2. The anti's would also have to believe that "Joseph Smith would blithely disobey a commandment he had dictated, a commandment which labels such behavior as adultery, stating that women so involved would be destroyed (D&C 132:63)."

3. The anti's would also have to believe "that the plural wives and other participants, those who performed and witnessed the sealings, would have condoned the relationships, by ignoring Biblical teachings AND JOSEPH SMITH'S INSTRUCTIONS CONDEMNING SUCH RELATIONS."

4. The anti's would also have to believe "THAT ALL PARTICIPANTS WOULD HAVE EASILY OVERLOOKED JOSEPH SMITH'S HYPOCRISY ON THIS POINT, CONTINUING TO FOLLOW HIM AS A PROPHET WITHOUT APPARENT COMPLAINT."

"FOR DECADES, ANTI Mormon WRITERS HAVE APPARENTLY BEEN COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS, ACCUSING JOSEPH SMITH OF SEXUAL POLYANDRY. DOUBTLESS THIS PHENOMENON WILL CONTINUE." Quotes from an article entitled, "Joseph Smith's Polygamy," by Brian C. Hales

Sure it will continue. It's easy pickin's for Satan to stir up the spiritually blind to attack, which church? Not the wrong ones, of course, but the true one!!!!!!!

[_ludwigm]

Joseph Smith had many more than six wives, but he didn't father forty- three children! Where did you come up with that hogwash?

For clarity, Joseph Smith married women, girls and other men's wives.
He, according to what we currently know, did not father any children by any of his polygamous/polyandrous wives - which means he disobeyed the direct commandment given as the reason for God allowing it in the first place "to multiply and replenish the earth".

Joseph Smith had many more than six wives, but he didn't father forty- three children! Where did you come up with that hogwash?

Wait...do you believe that Joseph never consummated his marriages?

I ask for pardon...

The comment gdemetz - as usual - doesn't quote/reference is from the first page of this thread, and more than three weeks old. (Apparently there are some negative side effect if one can not quote or reference...)
I don't wonder gdemetz doesn't know the letter "F". My comment is about Joseph F. Smith.
I don't wonder gdemetz doesn't know all his polygamous prophets. There was seven of them.
I don't wonder gdemetz doesn't know all his prophets called Smith. There was four of them.
as far as I know, toddlers don't know letters and don't know numbers as high as four or seven.

But...
There is a picture about a big family,
in the centre with this white bearded man: - who is called Smith and polygamous together

I do wonder if somebody's comprehension doesn't reach the level of the comic strips...

...that hogwash...

ehhhm


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by the way

On 27 June 1918, President Smith presided at the Salt Lake City Cemetery, where a monument had been erected in honor of his father. On that occasion, he said: “I am blessed today with thirty-five children living, all of whom, so far as I know, have a standing in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I believe their hearts are in the work of the Lord. I am proud of my children. I have today over eighty-six grandchildren.

I am certain JFS used to know all his 35+86 offspring. As a full time prophet, seer and revelator...


For gdemetz only: Joseph F. Smith

[_Yoda]

Yes, I don't believe that he did, with of course, a few exceptions which many are aware of, such as Emma. There has never been any DNA evidence in all of the many reported marriages to support that he did.

Also, it is not reasonable to think that he would have had the support from those who knew him best if he were the type of character that the apostates and other anti's try to make him out to be for the following obvious reasons:

1. No "credible evidence exists beyond the tabloid level accusations supporting it. Most serious researchers {not including some here, of course, who have tabloid type doubts that the Book of Mormon witnesses signed anything!} would not draw strict conclusions based upon the sensationalized claims that are currently available {which, of course, would also not include some here}"

2. The anti's would also have to believe that "Joseph Smith would blithely disobey a commandment he had dictated, a commandment which labels such behavior as adultery, stating that women so involved would be destroyed (D&C 132:63)."

3. The anti's would also have to believe "that the plural wives and other participants, those who performed and witnessed the sealings, would have condoned the relationships, by ignoring Biblical teachings AND JOSEPH SMITH'S INSTRUCTIONS CONDEMNING SUCH RELATIONS."

4. The anti's would also have to believe "THAT ALL PARTICIPANTS WOULD HAVE EASILY OVERLOOKED JOSEPH SMITH'S HYPOCRISY ON THIS POINT, CONTINUING TO FOLLOW HIM AS A PROPHET WITHOUT APPARENT COMPLAINT."

"FOR DECADES, ANTI Mormon WRITERS HAVE APPARENTLY BEEN COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THESE ASSUMPTIONS, ACCUSING JOSEPH SMITH OF SEXUAL POLYANDRY. DOUBTLESS THIS PHENOMENON WILL CONTINUE." Quotes from an article entitled, "Joseph Smith's Polygamy," by Brian C. Hales

Sure it will continue. It's easy pickin's for Satan to stir up the spiritually blind to attack, which church? Not the wrong ones, of course, but the true one!!!!!!!

It sounds like you may wish to join the Reorganized LDS Church (Community of Christ).

What you are describing is their claim.

[_Themis]

Yes, I don't believe that he did, with of course, a few exceptions which many are aware of, such as Emma. There has never been any DNA evidence in all of the many reported marriages to support that he did.

I see you only brought up Emma. I guess at least you did say a few exceptions. I guess we can't expect more from you.

Also, it is not reasonable to think that he would have had the support from those who knew him best if he were the type of character that the apostates and other anti's try to make him out to be for the following obvious reasons:

I don't really know any anti's(other then maybe you ) but I doubt most portray them as you think they do.

1. No "credible evidence exists beyond the tabloid level accusations supporting it. Most serious researchers {not including some here, of course, who have tabloid type doubts that the Book of Mormon witnesses signed anything!} would not draw strict conclusions based upon the sensationalized claims that are currently available {which, of course, would also not include some here}"

Other then the many statements made by Joseph's followers and wives. As to Book of Mormon witnesses you still miss the point, and instead think it reasonable to believe something you have no evidence for, and call others fools for having doubts due to no evidence. Yours is bizarro world.

I sure wish you would follow the evidence and stop making so many unsupported assertions.

[_Tobin]

gdemetz,

There is no evidence that Joseph Smith engaged in coitus with women that were married to another man, other than alleged statement by Sylvia Sessions Lyon on her death bed to Josephine. Josephine recalls, "Just prior to my mothers death in 1882 she called me to her bedside and told me that her days were numbered and before she passed away from mortality she desired to tell me something which she had kept as an entire secret from me and from all others but which she now desired to communicate to me. She then told me that I was the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith”. Of course, the anti's immediately jump on that statement, which is ambiguous, and can be easily understood in the context of the sealing, as proof that Joseph Smith did indeed have coitus with a married woman. That is no surprise since anti's often employ the most tenuous of reasoning and evidence in their arguments.

However, it is well known that Joseph Smith was a polygamist and had a number of polygamist wives that he did have coitus with. The RLDS are in denial of this fact, but most LDS generally accept that.

The only problem I have with these "spiritual wives" (those that were also married to someone else) of Joseph Smith is the optics. I see no reason for it and it appears unseemly, even though there is nothing to it really. I fault Joseph Smith and those that participated in it for this because it was stupid thing to agree to do and if it had gotten out at the time - it would have raised the persecution against the Church to an unbelievable level.

[_thews]

Oh, I agree! I think that there were two issues happening here. The polygamy based on Joseph Smith's libido was definitely present. I am not denying that at all. But there was also, I believe, a confusion on his part about the sealing ordinance, which is why you do see men sealed to men, etc.

Insanity... meet your self-serving agenda. Cog dis... check please.

[_gdemetz]

Yes Liz, the FLDS no doubt believe that also, but the LDS also support that view. I don't think any true LDS believes that Joseph had sex with the so termed "spiritual marriages." The one case of the death bed statement, I believe, referred to the daughter being sealed to Joseph rather than being his biological daughter. The sealing of the wife's children also occurred along with the sealing of the wife.