FBI Sexual Predator Profile on Joseph Smith?

[_Mary]

Someone on Facebook linked to this article about how a sociopath operates.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_socio ... z1xEhwG8j8

A lot of the characteristics show up in Joseph's actions and words I think.
Interesting stuff. May not be an FBI profile, but certainly insightful.

[_Mary]

10 signs for spotting a sociopath

#1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a "glow" about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

#2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn't do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others.

#4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

#5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

#6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don't actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

#8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running "stream of consciousness" monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets. As a great example of this in action, watch this interview of Charles Manson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj_55FHI

#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

#10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it! Charles Manson, the sociopathic murderer, is famous for saying, "I've never killed anyone! I don't need to kill anyone! I THINK it! I have it HERE! (Pointing to his temple.) I don't need to live in this physical realm..."


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_socio ... z1xgmZhnov

[_Ludd]

With all the crappola tossed about like it was true I wonder if somebody trained in FBI profiling could read through the Documented Church History or Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith and tell us IF Joseph Smith fits the profile of a sexual predator. I suspect there is not a single "tell" in all his words.

Listen to him talk in 1842 rebuking the saints as hypocrite. There would have to be some irritated victims out there if what those with prophet envy say is true in the slightest sense.

April 10, 1842 (DHC 4:588)
Joseph the Seer arose in the power of God; reproved and rebuked wickedness before the people, in the name of the Lord god. he wished to say a few words to suit the condition of the general mass, and then said: I shall speak with authority of the Priesthood in the name of the Lord God, which shall prove a savor of life unto life, or of death unto death. Notwithstanding this congregation profess to be Saints yet I stand in the midst of all [kinds of] characters and classes of men. If you wish to go where God is, you must be like God, or possess the principles which god possesses, for if we are not drawing towards God n principle, we are going from Him and drawing towards the devil. Yes, I am standing n the midst of all kinds of people.

Joseph Smith knew his time was short and so he went around and sealed up his friends to himself. Perhaps concerned that they were not making it on their own and he might take them as his "back load". He barely understood sealings and had to come back to correct Brigham Young's excesses in adoptions. A desperate time to be sure, knowing you will soon die and all you love will be lost.

The very same day that The Times and Seasons published the Book of Abraham Joseph was reported to have said this: ....he did not know that he should have many opportunities of teaching them, as they were going to be left to themselves; they would not long have him to instruct them; that the church would not have his instructions long, and the world would not be troubled with him a great while, .......for according to his prayers, God had appointed him elsewhere. April 28, 1842 (DHC 4:602-607)

If Joseph Smith was the character mentioned too often on this board then Nauvoo should have been his heyday yahooee ballooee. He should not have been despondent unto death.
Only if Joseph was in fact as virtuous as he publicly let on could his admitted depression and give-up-itiss make sense. Zion was a failure. That's is a fact. That is what got him killed.
The blessings of the Kirtland Temple could not get Zion started. The militant exercise of Zion's Camp could not get Zion started. Possessing the Holy Land could not get Zion started. Joseph realized the Gentiles COULD not redeem Zion. It was a failure. DANG!

I know that there are tons of FBI guys out there. So........?

Are you serious? Why do you think the DHC or any other sources currently available would permit an FBI professional to do a profile? Hardly any of that stuff was written by Joseph Smith.

[_Nightlion]

With all the crappola tossed about like it was true I wonder if somebody trained in FBI profiling could read through the Documented Church History or Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith and tell us IF Joseph Smith fits the profile of a sexual predator. I suspect there is not a single "tell" in all his words.

Listen to him talk in 1842 rebuking the saints as hypocrite. There would have to be some irritated victims out there if what those with prophet envy say is true in the slightest sense.

April 10, 1842 (DHC 4:588)
Joseph the Seer arose in the power of God; reproved and rebuked wickedness before the people, in the name of the Lord god. he wished to say a few words to suit the condition of the general mass, and then said: I shall speak with authority of the Priesthood in the name of the Lord God, which shall prove a savor of life unto life, or of death unto death. Notwithstanding this congregation profess to be Saints yet I stand in the midst of all [kinds of] characters and classes of men. If you wish to go where God is, you must be like God, or possess the principles which god possesses, for if we are not drawing towards God n principle, we are going from Him and drawing towards the devil. Yes, I am standing n the midst of all kinds of people.

Joseph Smith knew his time was short and so he went around and sealed up his friends to himself. Perhaps concerned that they were not making it on their own and he might take them as his "back load". He barely understood sealings and had to come back to correct Brigham Young's excesses in adoptions. A desperate time to be sure, knowing you will soon die and all you love will be lost.

The very same day that The Times and Seasons published the Book of Abraham Joseph was reported to have said this: ....he did not know that he should have many opportunities of teaching them, as they were going to be left to themselves; they would not long have him to instruct them; that the church would not have his instructions long, and the world would not be troubled with him a great while, .......for according to his prayers, God had appointed him elsewhere. April 28, 1842 (DHC 4:602-607)

If Joseph Smith was the character mentioned too often on this board then Nauvoo should have been his heyday yahooee ballooee. He should not have been despondent unto death.
Only if Joseph was in fact as virtuous as he publicly let on could his admitted depression and give-up-itiss make sense. Zion was a failure. That's is a fact. That is what got him killed.
The blessings of the Kirtland Temple could not get Zion started. The militant exercise of Zion's Camp could not get Zion started. Possessing the Holy Land could not get Zion started. Joseph realized the Gentiles COULD not redeem Zion. It was a failure. DANG!

I know that there are tons of FBI guys out there. So........?

Are you serious? Why do you think the DHC or any other sources currently available would permit an FBI professional to do a profile? Hardly any of that stuff was written by Joseph Smith.

Nobody would need Church permission. There is enough available information. If second hand is the best we got then so be it. The new work out call the Words of Joseph Smith looks like a good source.

[_Nightlion]

10 signs for spotting a sociopath

#1) Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a "glow" about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction. They often appear to be sexy or have a strong sexual attraction. Not all sexy people are sociopaths, obviously, but watch out for over-the-top sexual appetites and weird fetishes.

#2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people wouldn't do. They are unbound by normal social contracts. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.

#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others.

#4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

#5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

#6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent, but they use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. Their high IQs often makes them dangerous. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.

#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don't actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

#8) Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running "stream of consciousness" monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers and even poets. As a great example of this in action, watch this interview of Charles Manson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfGj_55FHI

#9) Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

#10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it! Charles Manson, the sociopathic murderer, is famous for saying, "I've never killed anyone! I don't need to kill anyone! I THINK it! I have it HERE! (Pointing to his temple.) I don't need to live in this physical realm..."


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_socio ... z1xgmZhnov

I guess you have summarized what's on the link. Thanks.
don't know the credentials of who is making this list. But regardless Joseph Smith was not a sociopath. He openly repented in public. And anyone who says he was incapable of love is simply lying. When you read how much he cherished his friends and carried his family in his heart constantly, you know the depth of his love was monumental.

Of course an atheist will charge him with delusion, and lying all the time and grandiosity. His poetic style was woodsy farm boyish except when the power of revelation was upon him. You can read his letters to Emma from Liberty Jail and notice the shift to revelation that got included in the D&C and then back again to his own words and then shifts again into revelation and realize how glorious and powerful it was that he is moved upon by a greater intelligence than his own.

I think this list is rather lame by the way. Everybody who is intelligent has to cross their mind's legs so as not to come off a sociopath. Bottom line with those guys is a lack of empathy. Joseph Smith was no sociopath. Why bring it here?

The lister thought that only SOME serial killers were sociopaths???? LOL Perhaps he was only keen on Charles Manson.

[_Tobin]

I don't know that Joseph Smith was completely devoid of psychosis. Given the stresses and events of his life (and his statements on occasions), I often consider that he did suffer from one, if not more, conditions.

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

I have no credentials either, but I have watched several seasons of "Criminal Minds" on NETFLIX so I feel comfortable in stating my opinions. I do not believe that Joseph Smith was a pedophile either. I think he had a healthy sexual appetite and the power got to his head. I agree that it was as much about power as it was about sex and that is why I think a lot of the polyandry happened. Image the power rush he must have experienced when he took other men’s wives especially the ones who knew about it first. “Hey Brother Jacobs, I’m going to go ahead and shag your wife. Don’t worry I am going to marry her first so that it is all legit. You are cool with that right?”

I guess all you really know about Joseph is what you have heard from people who believe like what you just said. First off, nobody understand Joseph Smith period unless they first become a born again of fire and of the Holy Ghost prophet like Joseph Smith. Not that difficult really. Christ said that his yoke is easy and his burden is light. All it requires is faith that will not give up. Christ has done the heavy lifting to raise you up to a state of righteousness.

Take this insight and layer over that every word Joseph Smith ever spoke that we know of. Now you have some idea as to who and what Joseph Smith is at heart. I have done this and thought on Joseph Smith for a long time. With great affection for him I defend him against all naysayers.

What you say above that Joseph would have done for a power rush is plain wrong. A man who has forsaken the world sufficiently to come unto Christ acceptable is not going to give a Fig Newton about getting off on power by sexual exploits. All this tabloid history is putrid and sordid for intent and small wonder that homosexuals are the chief champions of it. They want to bring down to the level of the natural man that one man who stood up in his generation to WIN gloriously. And he did even though all around him failed still. Nobody knows why Joseph is recorded to have sealed to himself or that others have back dated sealings to Joseph with married women.

None of those women ever spoke up that Joseph made their husbands stand in the corner while he had his way with her just to gratify his power tripped out ego. Shut up! That is evil surmising.

And since you are apparently the only one sufficiently advanced spiritually to be able to see all this, God and Joseph did all this just for you! Are you possibly getting off on a little power trip of your own?

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

I guess you have summarized what's on the link. Thanks.
don't know the credentials of who is making this list. But regardless Joseph Smith was not a sociopath. He openly repented in public. And anyone who says he was incapable of love is simply lying. When you read how much he cherished his friends and carried his family in his heart constantly, you know the depth of his love was monumental.

Of course an atheist will charge him with delusion, and lying all the time and grandiosity. His poetic style was woodsy farm boyish except when the power of revelation was upon him. You can read his letters to Emma from Liberty Jail and notice the shift to revelation that got included in the D&C and then back again to his own words and then shifts again into revelation and realize how glorious and powerful it was that he is moved upon by a greater intelligence than his own.

I think this list is rather lame by the way. Everybody who is intelligent has to cross their mind's legs so as not to come off a sociopath. Bottom line with those guys is a lack of empathy. Joseph Smith was no sociopath. Why bring it here?

The lister thought that only SOME serial killers were sociopaths???? LOL Perhaps he was only keen on Charles Manson.

When it comes to sociopathic behavior, it's a matter of degree. No objective person is going to compare Joseph Smith to Manson. That doesn't let Joseph Smith off the hook. Is Mitt Romney a sociopath? No, not fully developed by any means, but he clearly has tendencies. http://planetpov.com/2012/05/21/is-mitt ... sociopath/

Joseph had obvious sociopathic tendencies, but I still say his predominant mental problem was narcissism.

[_Quasimodo]

Joseph had obvious sociopathic tendencies, but I still say his predominant mental problem was narcissism.

Really? I think that if the word 'sociopath' existed in the 1840's the dictionary would have printed a lithograph of Joseph Smith in it's definition.

Here's a list of sociopathic behaviors:

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Joseph Smith exemplifies every one. A text book case.

I think narcissism is one aspect of sociopathic behavior.

[_son of Ishmael]

I have no credentials either, but I have watched several seasons of "Criminal Minds" on NETFLIX so I feel comfortable in stating my opinions. I do not believe that Joseph Smith was a pedophile either. I think he had a healthy sexual appetite and the power got to his head. I agree that it was as much about power as it was about sex and that is why I think a lot of the polyandry happened. Image the power rush he must have experienced when he took other men’s wives especially the ones who knew about it first. “Hey Brother Jacobs, I’m going to go ahead and shag your wife. Don’t worry I am going to marry her first so that it is all legit. You are cool with that right?”

I guess all you really know about Joseph is what you have heard from people who believe like what you just said. First off, nobody understand Joseph Smith period unless they first become a born again of fire and of the Holy Ghost prophet like Joseph Smith. Not that difficult really. Christ said that his yoke is easy and his burden is light. All it requires is faith that will not give up. Christ has done the heavy lifting to raise you up to a state of righteousness.

Take this insight and layer over that every word Joseph Smith ever spoke that we know of. Now you have some idea as to who and what Joseph Smith is at heart. I have done this and thought on Joseph Smith for a long time. With great affection for him I defend him against all naysayers.

What you say above that Joseph would have done for a power rush is plain wrong. A man who has forsaken the world sufficiently to come unto Christ acceptable is not going to give a Fig Newton about getting off on power by sexual exploits. All this tabloid history is putrid and sordid for intent and small wonder that homosexuals are the chief champions of it. They want to bring down to the level of the natural man that one man who stood up in his generation to WIN gloriously. And he did even though all around him failed still. Nobody knows why Joseph is recorded to have sealed to himself or that others have back dated sealings to Joseph with married women.

None of those women ever spoke up that Joseph made their husbands stand in the corner while he had his way with her just to gratify his power tripped out ego. Shut up! That is evil surmising.

“First off, nobody understand Joseph Smith period unless they first become a born again of fire and of the Holy Ghost prophet like Joseph Smith.” – Horse dung

You are the one who started this post wondering if an FBI profiler “could read through the Documented Church History or Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith and tell us if Joseph Smith fits the profile of a sexual predator” but I guess you would not believe that profiler’s assessment unless he passed your sanctimonious test of whether or not he/she had been properly born again of fire and the holy ghost.
I stated in my unqualified opinion that he was not a sexual predator but that he allowed the power to get to him. You know that whole “We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion…” thing.

I never stated that he made the other men watch. That would have been way too gross even for him but the fact is (check familysearch.org) that Joseph Smith married women that were already married to other men:

Lucinda Morgan Harris wife of George W. Harris
Zina Huntington Jacobs wife of Henry Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell wife of Norman Buell
Sylvia Sessions Lyon wife of Windsor Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightener wife of Adam Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions wife of David Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde wife of Orson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee wife of Jabez Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland wife of John Cleveland
Ruth Vose Sayers wife of Edward Sayers
Elvira Cowles Holmes wife of Jonathan Holmes

There has been no scriptural evidence that God ever condoned the taking of another mens’ wives that I know of.
Of course Joseph Smith denied all of this all the way up to his death. I guess it is ok for a prophet to lie even though the church expects its members to be honest in all things:

“There are many other forms of lying. When we speak untruths, we are guilty of lying. We can also intentionally deceive others by a gesture or a look, by silence, or by telling only part of the truth. Whenever we lead people in any way to believe something that is not true, we are not being honest.” (Gospel Principles Chapter 31)

But since you are such a close personal friend of Joseph Smith you are ok with his lying about his polygamy and polyandry.