This topic interests me.
The defense is fascinating.
It's like nearly everything I learn about TSCC is built on obscurity and deception. It all makes sense now; it never did before.
Joseph Smith wrote witnesses statement
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I'll abbreviate, The Church.
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gdemetz,
You should know that I find your use of exclamation points makes your arguments more believable.
You should know that I find your use of exclamation points makes your arguments more believable.
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Ok, but that is not what all the witnesses are testifying to.
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why me wrote:They just could not deny what they experienced.
But we could start with "what was their experience."
When I asked gmetz to pick a starting point, he disappeared.
I'll pick this starting point:
http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/dc-testam ... 1?lang=eng
Ready?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
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gdemetz wrote:TSCC?
An exmos way of saying: The So Called Church.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
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lulu wrote:why me wrote:They just could not deny what they experienced.
But we could start with "what was their experience."
I'll pick this starting point:
http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/dc-testam ... 1?lang=eng
Ready?
And.... What is the point? I see no problem with the D&C section. They saw the plates as stated but Martin had a problem with faith but later he also had his experience. And it it this experience that they could not deny.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
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marg wrote:
Why me Have you heard the voice of God, have you seen the plates through the power of God. And what is this God or angel that you know is the same per the Book of Mormon witness statement. You have not had the same experiences that is claimed by those witnesses.
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I had my own experience with the Book of Mormon. I knelt down and prayed about it and received a very powerful witness that it was true. And it is that witness that I cannot deny. However, I am not the best church member. So, I can relate to the witnesses having a strong witness and yet, drifting away. However, some of the witnesses drifted away not because of disbelief but because of Joseph Smith. But they hung on to their testimony.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
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why me wrote:They just could not deny what they experienced.
lulu wrote:But we could start with "what was their experience."
I'll pick this starting point:
http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/dc-testam ... 1?lang=eng
Ready?
So you don't think it makes any difference if Joseph Smith, 3 witnesses, 8 witnesses saw the plates withwhyme wrote:And.... What is the point? I see no problem with the D&C section. They saw the plates as stated but Martin had a problem with faith but later he also had his experience. And it it this experience that they could not deny.
their positivistic, empirical, naturalistic, non-metaphysical eyes
or
they only saw them with their spiritual, metaphysical, supernatural eyes?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.