Confirmation of Developments?

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_Kevin Graham
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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There's lots you do with your skills. Instead you fight to make BYU a more bland place by silencing one of its voices with sharp elbows. It isn't enough that you attack the theories, you attack the professional reputations of those who advance them.


Of course Bob is just talking out of his ass on this one. Kish has done nothing of the sort. Bob is just pissed off, as if Dan Peterson and William Schryver, that they cannot blame the apostates for any of this. If these things are transpiring as we suspect, then it is coming from dissenting voices from within their own house. They are trying to blame us the same way they tried to blame us for the failure of Schryver's so-called publication. And the same thing with Greg Smith's. They haven't a humble bone in their collective bodies to ever admit being wrong about anything. They're always going to be the eternal victims in their minds.

Bob can't seem to get his mind around the fact that Dan Peterson is reaping what he has been sowing for years now. Dan was the one who had spread lies about Robert Ritner over the course of five years, and only stopped when I contacted Ritner to find out the truth. He's been asked to tone it down but he doesn't listen to anything except his own ego. No wonder he gets along so well with the misogynist William Schryver.

So yes, kudos to NAMIR for choosing to abandon the low-level attack pieces for something that actually resembles scholarship. This war mentality that places everyone on one side or the other, isn't beneficial to anyone who isn't thinking like a Danite.
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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Yahoo Bot wrote:...Let's all yawn at what the Review will now be.


Hopefully a journal which explores the contemporary
phenomenon of Mormonism, without exhibiting a focus
in defense of its doctrines or received history.

A publication that the librarians at Liberty University
and Bob Jones University can display on the shelves,
without fear of hostile criticism -- and one that naturally
ends up in the libraries and in-boxes of a good many
true institutions of higher learning.

Maybe even an academic/professional organ that a
guy like myself could contribute to -- knowing in advance
that any rejection notice received, was for my poor writing,
and not for some prejudged apostate heresy.

Just imagining...

UD
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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Yahoo Bot wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:
Yahoo,

I have no idea whether this is real or what on earth is going on. It looks real, but I want to know whether it is real. You are deeply mistaken if you think I am experiencing some kind of Schadenfreude here. I don't know whether anything has happened or, if something has, why it has happened. I will say that I hope the Mormon Studies Review succeeds in its new direction, if that new direction excludes attacks on LDS Church members in good standing.

That you single me out for opprobrium here is odd. And, as for Hypatia's mob? You couldn't be more wrong.


There's lots you do with your skills. Instead you fight to make BYU a more bland place by silencing one of its voices with sharp elbows. It isn't enough that you attack the theories, you attack the professional reputations of those who advance them.

You're the power here, not Scratch. You're the one to understand academic freedom and free speech. Let's all yawn at what the Review will now be.


Wait a second. I am the ONLY one on the board who actually claims to have real power.

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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Yahoo Bot wrote:Look, Dr. Peterson is a wonderful guy. I don't always agree with what he writes or edits but there's a lot I don't agree with amongst good men who choose to be lightning rods.

This place has been terrible to him, and the assault is usually carried on by cowardly anonymous posters. People who should know better. Lawyers and academics and more.

I hope you're happy, Kish, sitting there in the safety of your ivory tower of Classicism and doing the anonymous thing that most of your treasured ancients would find despicable. I will wager that you were in Hypatia's mob.

Isn’t there an abusive cult somewhere in need of your legal expertise?

I'm not seeing any personal life here.
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately.
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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Oh my...

Bob must hate seeing that link posted here. Thanks so much for the link, I would have never seen it.
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

Post by _Kishkumen »

Uncle Dale wrote:
Yahoo Bot wrote:...Let's all yawn at what the Review will now be.


Hopefully a journal which explores the contemporary
phenomenon of Mormonism, without exhibiting a focus
in defense of its doctrines or received history.

A publication that the librarians at Liberty University
and Bob Jones University can display on the shelves,
without fear of hostile criticism -- and one that naturally
ends up in the libraries and in-boxes of a good many
true institutions of higher learning.

Maybe even an academic/professional organ that a
guy like myself could contribute to -- knowing in advance
that any rejection notice received, was for my poor writing,
and not for some prejudged apostate heresy.

Just imagining...

UD


EXACTLY.

You are a good and wise man, Uncle Dale.
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_Kishkumen
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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Can you refrain from posting this off-topic stuff?
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Yahoo Bot wrote:Please keep my personal life off of this board. I am totally unable to respond and explain what I do and whom I represent when it involves active matters. I don't expose your personal or professional life. Please leave mine alone.

If I make my personal life known here, then it is fair game.

I seem to remember your mentioning that you were headed off to argue a case before a high court (The Supreme Court?) within the last year or two. This and other disclosures that you have made would seem to indicate that you want everyone on the Board to know about your exploits in real life.
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Re: Confirmation of Developments?

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Yahoo Bot wrote:There's lots you do with your skills.


There is a lot I do with my skills. The most important thing is being a good family man. Then, being a good friend. After that my scholarship and teaching. Yesterday morning at 4 am I emailed the manuscript of my first monograph to a major American academic press. I have several articles in draft and revision form. Many a lovely and intellectually stimulating hour has been spent discussing Mormon history with my dear friend Don Bradley, whose book on the lost 116 pages I am eager to see published. I blow off steam through experimental music.

Yes, I enjoy life.

Instead you fight to make BYU a more bland place by silencing one of its voices with sharp elbows. It isn't enough that you attack the theories, you attack the professional reputations of those who advance them.


BYU will be much better off not attaching its good name and reputation to shameful smears like the Laura Compton hit piece. If you think that is the kind of activity that forwards a university's mission to serve either its students or the academic community at large, then your perspective is horribly skewed.

Any academic who willingly participates in mixing his professional life with such, and suffers negative consequences thereby, has hoisted himself on his own petard, and I personally lament it. I do not rejoice in his suffering.

You're the power here, not Scratch. You're the one to understand academic freedom and free speech. Let's all yawn at what the Review will now be.


I don't regard calling Laura Compton a witch academic freedom. I call it professional suicide.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
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