The Reverend's Sabbath Sermon

[_consiglieri]

Then, ironically, I am castigated for my anonymity.

Hello, Watson!

I think I may have discovered a clue as to the perpetrator's identity . . .

[_consiglieri]

Online, DCP hath smoted the sledded Polacks.

An agile allusion to King Hamlet?

Impressive, most impressive.

The Force is strong in this one.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_RayAgostini]

I will confirm to you that the author was not Will. That is the last I will say about the identity of the author.

What this incident (the whole thing from the hullabaloo surrounding the unpublished Dehlin review to the present) shows me is the degree to which Will's repugnant attitudes about certain matters are well represented among the other apologists. That much is very depressing.

Depressing, but not unexpected. We shouldn't let the liberal attitudes of some LDS make us forget that the baseline towards "apostates" by LDS leaders has generally been demonization.

Probably the most salient point made in the whole thread. There is nothing so terrible as ignorance in action. But let the mighty warriors keep singling out the MI as virtually the only "offending" body in the whole Church. It, they say, is "out of line" with DCP at the helm, and one must never attack "worthy and faithful members of the Church", or In other words, "Church approved attacks".

The LDS Intellectual Community and Church Leadership - A Contemporary Chronology.

If they really want change, they're probing the wrong end of the horse.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. (Matt 12:30)

51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. (Luke 12: 51-53)

See also, F.F. Bruce, The Hard Sayings of Jesus.

[_Kishkumen]

Thus far it looks like one party was out of line with his superior's vision for the future of the MSR, and he was relieved of his editor's position.

[_Darth J]

But let the mighty warriors keep singling out the MI as virtually the only "offending" body in the whole Church. It, they say, is "out of line" with DCP at the helm, and one must never attack "worthy and faithful members of the Church", or In other words, "Church approved attacks".

Who specifically is saying this, and in what post(s)?

[_RayAgostini]

Who specifically is saying this, and in what post(s)?

Have you been asleep?

[_Darth J]

Who specifically is saying this, and in what post(s)?

Have you been asleep?

Nope. Who specifically is taking the position you ascribe to them, and in what post(s)?

[_Kishkumen]

But let the mighty warriors keep singling out the MI as virtually the only "offending" body in the whole Church. It, they say, is "out of line" with DCP at the helm, and one must never attack "worthy and faithful members of the Church", or In other words, "Church approved attacks".

Who specifically is saying this, and in what post(s)?

It reads like a distorted mishmash of things that have been said.

[_RayAgostini]

It reads like a distorted mishmash of things that have been said.

I suppose I could offer one example:

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Do you ever get tired of crusading? The OP is not bad, though, at least some parts, so maybe real change is in the air?

I lament for all of us. I lament for Daniel Peterson and this person. I lament for you and for me. We are in a very dangerous place. When everyone is convinced they are righteously right, and are on the verge of giving up hope for any humane dialogue--when they see each other as delusional, insane, possessed, deceived by Satan, or what have you; you know we are marching toward some kind of massive eruption of ugliness and violence. I am not saying when it will happen, but the signs are there. It is in our politics, our religion, and our anti-religion. And we will rue the day we abandoned our humanity in order to be "righteous" judges.

[_Darth J]

No, Ray. This is your assertion:

But let the mighty warriors singling out the MI as virtually the only "offending" body in the whole Church. It, they say, is "out of line" with DCP at the helm, and one must never attack "worthy and faithful members of the Church", or In other words, "Church approved attacks".

--Who is singling out the Maxwell Institute as virtually the only offending body in the whole Church?

--What is meant by "offending"? Offending what?

--Do you take the corollary position: that an apologetic institute at a church-owned university should attack worthy and faithful members of said church?