MCB wrote: repeat: An extraordinary minister of the Eucharist must also be a person whose lifestyle is in conformity with the teachings of the Church.
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Really? And what are the teachings of the RC church that they must be in conformity with? Does the priest give an interview with the women and ask them personal questions about their lifestyle? If so, that is news to me.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
DarkHelmet wrote:The church tries hard to present itself as politically neutral, .
It does a pretty good job with this. Much better than most churches, especially the liberal churches who are in the trenches for various liberal causes. And the RC church which also gets involved with politics when the bishops feel that politics are encroaching on their belief systems.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
So long as you don't object to the Conservative label. Today's Liberal ideology is not welcome in the LDS Church it being counter to the doctrine of Christ. Joseph Smith himself spoke out against many of Liberalism's principles, particularly as it relates to the Law of Consecration.
Joseph Smith was in many ways quite radical, liberally, and some of that has survived to this day in the temple ceremonies.
He was classically liberal which equates to today's Conservatism.
why me wrote:[The LDS Church] does a pretty good job with this. Much better than most churches, especially the liberal churches who are in the trenches for various liberal causes.
What's up with these liberal churches caring about the wellbeing of its members in the here and now???!!! Don't they understand how this can adversely affect the big donors? Well, at least they won't grow into Mega-Churches with that attitude.
KevinSim wrote:How do you come to this conclusion?
You have stated one exceptional circumstance in which women administer to other women behind closed doors. They do not administer to men, and could not be seen to have a position of authority.
angsty wrote:MCB has told us that within his faith, there are circumstances under which women conduct services (position of authority) and pass the sacrament publicly to the general membership regardless of gender.
That is clearly less sexist.
Heck girls can't even go to camp without a priesthood holder to preside over the outing 24/7.
krose wrote:Yes, you are correct. People conclude that the church is conservative because they don't give women the priesthood. Of course.
Their stances on issues such as the ERA, abortion, and marriage equality have nothing to do with it. Their embarrassingly slow change in finally recognizing blacks as full members, Ezra's rants about communists hiding under every bed, the speeches in the MoCon about a woman's place being in the home, the concept that any husband is the official head of household, the temple ceremony where women promised to obey their husbands -- those have nothing to do with it.
Right.
Oh, and I'm sure the fact that they got women to do the touching of other women's "private areas" in the temple had nothing to do with conservative notions of privacy and propriety.
And certainly it makes young girls feel better about themselves, as they watch their less mature male classmates get ordained to specialness and authority, to know that one day they could be one of a few old women who conduct an obscure ceremony for younger women.
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café crema wrote: Heck girls can't even go to camp without a priesthood holder to preside over the outing 24/7.
Chasity is important. When youth are gathered there are chaperones to watch over the festivities. For after all it is coed.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
moksha wrote: What's up with these liberal churches caring about the wellbeing of its members in the here and now???!!! Don't they understand how this can adversely affect the big donors? Well, at least they won't grow into Mega-Churches with that attitude.
The liberal churches are often involved in promoting their social causes. They are certainly not neutral. Likewise for the catholic church as can be seen with their reaction against obama. The LDS church is quite apolitical when compared to such churches.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
café crema wrote: Heck girls can't even go to camp without a priesthood holder to preside over the outing 24/7.
Chasity is important. When youth are gathered there are chaperones to watch over the festivities. For after all it is coed.
What church are you talking about? LDS girls camp is not coed. We keep telling you to go to church and learn things, but you never do.
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