DCP Responds to Getting "Fired" from the Review

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Re: DCP Responds to Getting "Fired" from the Review

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the narrator wrote:Dan is still at BYU. Still has his same pseudo-tenure professorship. Still has same pay. Still has this and that. He's just not the editor of the MSR. Journal's generally have a pretty quick rotation of editors anyways.


I believe DCP made it abundantly clear that he receives compensation directly for his editorship duties at FARMS/Mormon Studies Review. Since he will no longer receive that, he no longer has the same pay. No, it doesn't matter that his main salary is unaffected.
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the narrator wrote:Dan is still at BYU. Still has his same pseudo-tenure professorship. Still has same pay. Still has this and that. He's just not the editor of the MSR. Journal's generally have a pretty quick rotation of editors anyways.

I think you make serveral good points. In terms of academics, DCP is a zero, or am I overstating your case?

But the Review and MI as a whole aren't primarily about academics even though they are in the middle of a "unversity." They are about PR and DCP is a PR disaster in the middle of the Mormon Moment.

But you don't really mean that Bradford is completely autonomous. He has a boss, who has a boss, who has a alot of bosses. Management decisions, even in a unversity aren't unilateral. One need not posit a conspiracy to think that someone above President, the former Elder, Samuelson wanted general and specific changes at MI.

PS If the emails are to be believed, DCP doesn't still have the same pay.
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Aristotle Smith wrote:
the narrator wrote:Dan is still at BYU. Still has his same pseudo-tenure professorship. Still has same pay. Still has this and that. He's just not the editor of the MSR. Journal's generally have a pretty quick rotation of editors anyways.


I believe DCP made it abundantly clear that he receives compensation directly for his editorship duties at FARMS/Mormon Studies Review. Since he will no longer receive that, he no longer has the same pay. No, it doesn't matter that his main salary is unaffected.


Was that the $20K that Scratch posted, once upon a time? Or was it $10K?
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Aristotle Smith wrote:
the narrator wrote:Dan is still at BYU. Still has his same pseudo-tenure professorship. Still has same pay. Still has this and that. He's just not the editor of the MSR. Journal's generally have a pretty quick rotation of editors anyways.


I believe DCP made it abundantly clear that he receives compensation directly for his editorship duties at FARMS/Mormon Studies Review. Since he will no longer receive that, he no longer has the same pay. No, it doesn't matter that his main salary is unaffected.


There will also be fewer trips to Israel, etc., which is definitely a perk.
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lulu wrote:One need not posit a conspiracy to think that someone above President, the former Elder, Samuelson wanted general and specific changes at MI.

PS If the emails are to be believed, DCP doesn't still have the same pay.[/color]


Hey, this is BYU, right? And look, DCP name-checked two apostles and the Smith Family Foundation. I would say he knew the score better than anyone here or at Claremont.
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Kishkumen wrote:There will also be fewer trips to Israel, etc., which is definitely a perk.

And if his brand gets too tarnished, they'll be less money from leading tours.

Do you think he should hire a crisis management firm?
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lulu wrote:And if his brand gets too tarnished, they'll be less money from leading tours.

Do you think he should hire a crisis management firm?


I can't speak to that issue.
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lulu wrote:I think you make serveral good points. In terms of academics, DCP is a zero, or am I overstating your case?


No. In terms of broader academic Mormon studies, DCP is irrelevant. His credentials in Arabic studies may be very high, and I have no real reason to doubt them (though I must admit that his utterly stupid political attacks on his blog make me wonder).

lulu wrote:But the Review and MI as a whole aren't primarily about academics even though they are in the middle of a "unversity." They are about PR and DCP is a PR disaster in the middle of the Mormon Moment.


No. They really aren't about PR. The Mormon (formerly LDS) Newsroom doesn't ever point to the MI or Review. Instead they go to Bushman, Givens, Flake, and others who are much more credentialed and taken seriously in the broader academic world.

lulu wrote:But you don't really mean that Bradford is completely autonomous. He has a boss, who has a boss, who has a a lot of bosses. Management decisions, even in a unversity aren't unilateral. One need not posit a conspiracy to think that someone above President, the former Elder, Samuelson wanted general and specific changes at MI.


Of course he's not completely autonomous. (Who is?) However, Bradford already had plenty of reasons to replace Petersen. There is no need to jump to conspiracies.

lulu wrote:PS If the emails are to be believed, DCP doesn't still have the same pay.


I meant that he wasn't losing any of his salary. And unless there is some corruption going on (which I highly doubt) then Peterson's fee for editing the journal would be minimal at best. I am pretty assured that his complaint about making sure he is still given the fee is more about ego than dollars.
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A reasonable guess that at BYU someone higher up than Bradford would have been consulted concerning Daniel's sacking from the Review is not a conspiracy theory. It is a reasonable speculation. That doesn't mean it is right, but to call such a conspiracy theory cheapens the term conspiracy.
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moksha wrote:...Back when Dr. Peterson was called on to testify in the Brian David Mitchell court case I assumed that he had achieved the status of a BYU icon, just a few degrees of glory removed from Coach LaVell Edwards...


Please, Moksha, LaVell Edwards is a class act.

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