Obama Policy: Ignore the Law

[_ajax18]

Ajax, have you already declared yourself a sovereign nation? Sit tight with your claymores.

No, I'm a powerless individual who would rather die than live in slavery. Those are the two choices you have in this world when you don't have power.

Social welfare when combined with mass and illegal immigration is the road to serfdom for middle class Americans like myself. The rich, like the Obamas, will always be taking 12-14 vacations per year, because they are in power. And the lower middle class who spend 6 days/week at work with less than a week off each year, like myself, will be paying the price of the votes he just brought each month that we continue to survive and pay the bills. We'll never be out of debt and we'll never be free. The more hours/week you work and the more you make, the more he takes and the less able you are to pay your debt off.

[Guest]

And the lower middle class who spend 6 days/week at work with less than a week off each year, like myself...

Keep supporting those rich, anti-labor republicans and anti-regulation libertarians, and they'll have that fixed before you know it. You'll be working 80-hour weeks for less money and no vacation. And your small children can be working right alongside you.

A right-wing utopia.

[_moksha]

No, I'm a powerless individual who would rather die than live in slavery. Those are the two choices you have in this world when you don't have power.

Enlightened conservatives don't have slaves. They have serfs.

[_ajax18]

Keep supporting those rich, anti-labor republicans and anti-regulaton libertarians, and they'll have that fixed before you know it.

I see your point. But I simply do not believe politicians who promise to tax those making $200k or more per year. It seems to me that everyones taxes go up and the rich whether liberal or conservative find new ways not to pay those taxes. The cost of the wars is still very small compared to the cost of welfare.

The government continues to thumb it's nose at American labor by offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. It'd be nice if everyone could have their dream, but I do not believe that the U.S.A. can provide an American lifestyle to everyone in the world who might like to come. That line should be drawn by legislation and enforced.

So my point to you is, Keep allowing more immigrants in. Then you'll have no job at all and your social security check won't be more than $300/month assuming you live to 70 and become eligible. You'll be living the law of consecration with the third world.

[_krose]

I simply do not believe politicians who promise to tax those making $200k or more per year. It seems to me that everyones taxes go up...

Yes, that won't be enough. Taxes need to go back up across the board in order to make a difference with our deficit spending problem. The best option is to just let the 2001/2003 cuts expire. Raising taxation levels back up to the 90s level, when the economy was doing well and we had a surplus instead of a deficit, would help a lot.

The government continues to thumb it's nose at American labor by offering amnesty to illegal immigrants... Keep allowing more immigrants in. Then you'll have no job at all...

The only president who gave amnesty to illegals was Reagan. (And as far as "no job at all," I don't really worry personally, unless a lot of these illegal immigrants are college educated with English writing and editing skills. Outsourcing is a bigger threat.)

The crazy thing about immigration is that Obama gets no credit at all from the right for doubling the number of border guards and deporting many more illegals than W did.

But now he announces that he won't deport kids who were brought here by their parents and grew up here, as long as they are well behaved and haven't gotten in trouble. So a few on the right scream bloody murder, while a large majority of us agree with the move as the humane thing to do.

[_ajax18]

Yes, that won't be enough. Taxes need to go back up across the board in order to make a difference with our deficit spending problem. The best option is to just let the 2001/2003 cuts expire. Raising taxation levels back up to the 90s level, when the economy was doing well and we had a surplus instead of a deficit, would help a lot.

I wouldn't complain about that. I'd agree to a raise in taxes if the other side agreed to cut welfare spending.

The only president who gave amnesty to illegals was Reagan. (And as far as "no job at all," I don't really worry personally, unless a lot of these illegal immigrants are college educated with English writing and editing skills. Outsourcing is a bigger threat.)

Outsourcing is a threat, but you don't have social welfare spending with outsourcing.

The crazy thing about immigration is that Obama gets no credit at all from the right for doubling the number of border guards and deporting many more illegals than W did.

You've made a good point. I didn't know the truth of this until I heard the Latinos complaining about it on spanish language talk radio.

But now he announces that he won't deport kids who were brought here by their parents and grew up here, as long as they are well behaved and haven't gotten in trouble. So a few on the right scream bloody murder, while a large majority of us agree with the move as the humane thing to do.

You're right that most people wouldn't want to deport these people. But you can't have a law if you're always making exceptions. How is that fair to the people who chose to obey the law and not come illegally? How humane is it of us to leave them to live in that situation just because of the fact that they are in another country and we don't have to see their poverty every day.

[_krose]

I'd agree to a raise in taxes if the other side agreed to cut welfare spending.

I'm curious about something. What do you include in the category of "welfare spending" by the federal government, other than the obvious food stamp program?

[_krose]

Incidentally, according to a poll by Bloomberg, released today, Americans support the president's action by a margin of 64% to 30%.

[_3sheets2thewind]

haven't republican presidents granted en mass amnesty.

by the way, anyone else think is telling that bcspace has not returned to defend his moronic statement.