Polygamy-Porter wrote:Christianity in its simplest form teaches that a road has been built for followers to walk back to God.
Mormons came along and built a toll booth on the side and tells passerby's that they all must pass through this toll both and pay the toll.
Mormonism teaches the same thing. But I don't see any toll both. All churches have rules that one must do to come back to the fold once an excommunication happens. The difference however comes from the fact that Mormonism also teaches that one must attempt to obey the commandments to come back to god.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Polygamy-Porter wrote:According to their stats I am --at least counted as one.
After eight years of complete inactivity many other religions would have purged my name from the record. Why is it my responsibility to do so?
I don't think so. The catholic church doesn't purge its membership. I do think that many wards would love to take guys like you off their records. And at times they do ask inactive members what are their plans. They must get permission before taking anyone off their roles. Let me put it this way: if an inactive member was taking off the roles and then one day this inactive person comes back to church, what should happen? It would be quite awkward to tell the sucker that her name is now off the books.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Tim wrote:The LDS church is perpetually changing. With no creeds and the ability to add and remove Scripture it will continue to change.
Not really. It is still the same in its teachings with regard to attempting to obey the commandments.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Polygamy-Porter wrote: ....Do you really believe your extended family will understand and be thankful for the sacrifice you made, just so they wouldn't get their feelings hurt over the Mormon fairytale of families are forever?
Why can't my extended family accept me as a non believer?...
BECAUSE THE THEOLOGY has no wiggle room.
My kids came out of it better as well. Sure, it was f*****g hell for a while....
Would I do it again?
You bet your ass I would. .
Yeah. I understand what you are saying. I was an active EQP at the time when I was thrown under the bus by my TBM family for being an "apostate" wolf because of my involvement with the John Dehlin "movement." It was ugly and it was painful.
I haven't been active for 14 months now. My wife and kids are on the slow train out of town now as well. I'm glad I didn't jump ship earlier on...because I think I have been able to salvage my own family through all of this.
I don't know where we will be a year from now. I actually ( because I am stubborn and stupid) hold out faith that the church will reform and become relevant to our generation.
Perhaps I'm stubborn enough right now to say the hell with them...they don't want me...they are going to have to kick me out. And like Dr. Smith said in the MS podcast...I'm going to be an irritant from the inside. Yep, either the church will reform...or they are going to have to kick me out. At least that is how I feel today. Tomorrow? Who knows.
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
cwald wrote: I don't think it's a matter of simple walking out the door for many people. I know that the church portrays itself as a black and white institution...but leaving it isn't always a black and white decision.
Also. I don't believe the church is either "all true, or all false... the greatest fraud on mankind." I think the Prophet G. Hinckley was completely wrong about that.
I think this is the case for a lot of people. I don't think life decisions like this are all that simple.
cwald wrote: Yeah. I understand what you are saying. I was an active EQP at the time when I was thrown under the bus by my TBM family for being an "apostate" wolf because of my involvement with the John Dehlin "movement." It was ugly and it was painful.
So, this is the reason why you are no longer active? Really? And why you are so hostile to the church now? Because of your family. There must be another reason.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
cwald wrote: Perhaps I'm stubborn enough right now to say the hell with them...they don't want me...they are going to have to kick me out. And like Dr. Smith said in the MS podcast...I'm going to be an irritant from the inside. Yep, either the church will reform...or they are going to have to kick me out. At least that is how I feel today. Tomorrow? Who knows.
To hell with whom? Who doesn't want you? And how can you be an irritant from the inside if you no longer go to church? I know that selek took you to task on MDD. But this is really confusing.
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I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
I don't know where we will be a year from now. I actually ( because I am stubborn and stupid) hold out faith that the church will reform and become relevant to our generation.
What church is relevant for this generation? I see none. This generation wishes to live life without restraints. I see no church advocating this. What reforms do you want the LDS church to make for it to be relevant to you and your generation? And how did you become the spokesperson for your generation when it comes to the LDS church?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith