Is Schyver Nibley's Biological Son?

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Kevin Graham wrote:He (my source) says that Nibley persuaded the young girl that he (Nibley) had been secretly authorized by the First Presidency to engage in secret plural marriage, "just like Joseph Smith had done". He (Nibley) convinced the girl that plural marriage is actually still practiced secretly in the church and that many of the apostles and other general authorities have secret plural wives who are married "for time" to other men, but "for eternity" to church leaders.

Whoa. Now, assuming for just a moment that this bit about Nibley is true--As has been pointed out, yes, Schryver himself encouraged the rumor--was Nibley lying about what other General Authorities were doing, i.e. was it merely a made-up cover story to assist in the seduction of the poor girl? Or, (gasp,) is there a ghost of a chance that the part about spiritual wifery in high places is actually true?

He says they had Ugo Perego do the DNA testing to confirm it, and this is the reason why Will has been given such deep access to Book of Abraham materials, and it's likely why DCP has befriended him. He says that now Schryver is basically black-mailing the church by promising to keep the information secret so long as they will let him have access to the church archives, "in order to finish his father's life work".

You know, that does go a long way toward explaining why he was given access to the original Book of Abraham papyrii themselves. John Gee can't get access to them, but William Schryver of all people can? It just didn't make sense before this.
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I believe that Hugh Nibley molested his daughter as she claims. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Nibley also molested Wiliam Schryver. Nothing would surprise me anymore.

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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:The precedent for lying about the secret practice of polygamy is already established. . . If any GA was ever caught they would be excommunicated and they would simply say it was an affair and was wrong.

Hmm. Maybe that's the real story behind the excommunication of Apostle Richard R. Lyman.

Anyway, I earlier wrote:

Dr. Shades wrote:You know, that does go a long way toward explaining why he was given access to the original Book of Abraham papyrii themselves. John Gee can't get access to them, but William Schryver of all people can? It just didn't make sense before this.

In addition to that, I'm now reminded of another piece of the "Schryver-as-spawn-of-Nibley" puzzle: Schryver has repeatedly claimed to have had his calling and election made sure. As was noted in this post and the one after it, being the offspring of Nibley makes his claim to have received the Second Anointing a lot more plausible. I mean, come on, how else could he have possibly been invited to receive it? But who knows, rather than being a reward for having such an illustrious sperm donor, maybe it was a consolation prize given in exchange for his silence.
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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:The evidence would likely never see the light of day and I'm usually skeptical without evidence.


So then what to do? In a situation where, as you acknowledge, proof positive (in terms of material evidence) will simply never be forthcoming?

I've said here before, the atheist/materialist-realist worldview misses a lot of the truly sinister aspects of what lies behind the Zion curtain. Mormons take the idea that their secret rituals have effects that stretch beyond a single human life very, very seriously; investigators, critics, and "apostates" should as well. The point being, DCP apparently takes the idea that the Second Anointing extends down the family line quite literally. That is interesting in and of itself.

As for Schryver and Nibley... perhaps we could brainstorm alternate theories that explain the evidence at least as well if not better. Thoughts?
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Tabitha wrote:Am I to understand that Mormon apologist William Schryver is the illegitimate child of Mormon apologist Hugh Nibley?


Biological son in this case is a misleading relationship. Are you familiar with the Jewish concept of a Golem? This is a man-like creature made solely out of mud, by a Rabbi dressed in Egyptian garb and speaking the word of power in the reformed tongue. Once conceived in this manner, the creature is set loose to perform tasks in the name of his latter-day master.
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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Since the Second Anointing is meant to include extended posterity . . .

Samantabhadra wrote:The point being, DCP apparently takes the idea that the Second Anointing extends down the family line quite literally.

Wait, what? Since when did anyone believe that the Second Anointing has any effect whatsoever beyond the two who receive it?

Will the two of you please tell me where you heard or read this?
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