Schryver and his wife have read the hit piece

[_Mary]

Will just doesn't get it. I don't give a hoot what John Dehlin's standing is with regards to the church. What is more important to me is that he has shown kindness and understanding to those who have or are struggling with the history, truth claims and culture of some aspects of the church. Basically he has acted in what seems to me to be a 'christian manner' regardless of his own beliefs or standing in the church.

Mormon Stories is FAR BIGGER than John Dehlin. It's taken on a life of its own. I enjoy the Facebook page for Mormon Stories because it provides a safe place for Mormons of all colour to express their opinion whether it be of faith, doubt or disbelief. I always look forward to Ben Park's contributions over there. Again, John Dehlin isn't a big part of it (for me anyway). This isn't about the cult of personality.

Mormon Stories helps me to be a part of the Mormon Community even though I no longer believe. There is still much in LDS culture and belief that I like. MS helps me to embrace that.

[_Mary]

What I want to see is a 'hit piece' on Joseph Smith. Now that, for me is far more important than a 'hit piece' on John Dehlin. John isn't trying to start up a church for goodness sake. Joseph Smith was. Joseph Smith claimed to talk for God. Far more important to analyse and research Joseph Smith's character than John Dehlin's...

[_Kishkumen]

It's kind of embarrassing how many of the apologists seem to think it's appropriate for an academic journal, sponsored by a major university, to publish a 100+ page, "footnoted" exposé of the religious views of the host of an Internet podcast. The tone of the article could be all hugs and kisses, and it would still be cringe-worthy.

Amen, Chris. This is exactly right. It is totally embarrassing. It is also embarrassing to have a political science professor at BYU who, in his role as president of a foundation for promoting religious discussion about public affairs, named after John Adams, uses that forum to weigh in on the non-relationship between John Dehlin and the future of the Maxwell Institute (wow, there's new for you). For a guy as smart as he is, he just turned his foundation into amateur hour.

[_LDSToronto]

I'm still waiting for Stephen Hawking's searing invective against Bill Nye The Science Guy to appear in Nature.

H.

[_Kishkumen]

I'm still waiting for Stephen Hawking's searing invective against Bill Nye The Science Guy to appear in Nature.

H.

Well played, my good man.

[_Kishkumen]

I wonder why Schryver bothers to mention that his wife read the piece if no one is to read her independent impressions of it. Are her views exactly the same as his? Or is he exercising his role as patriarch in speaking for both of them? Perhaps they established a consensus on the piece before he wrote this deliberate misrepresentation of "apostate" views of the Dehlin situation.

[_Tator]

I wonder why Schryver bothers to mention that his wife read the piece if no one is to read her independent impressions of it. Are her views exactly the same as his? Or is he exercising his role as patriarch in speaking for both of them? Perhaps they established a consensus on the piece before he wrote this deliberate misrepresentation of "apostate" views of the Dehlin situation.

Well I am positive that she is the better half of that union and is far more honest and trustworthy than Willy which makes it understandable that he would turn to her.

[_sock puppet]

One thing I find troubling (among many) about Schryver's screed there is the repetition of the apologetic lie that critics are the ones making the causal link between the spiking of the Dehlin hit piece last month and the sacking of DCP and Co. this month. That link was made by DCP himself in his email response to Bradford.

The timing of my dismissal, coming immediately after my public crucifixion over the John Dehlin debacle, guarantees that it will be read as an institutional rebuke of me and all my works.

Is there no historical event to which the apologists will not try to give the revisionist treatment? It's only been ten days since this story broke, ferchrissakes. How stupid do they think we are?

Well, many of us were once TBMs.

[_Kishkumen]

Well I am positive that she is the better half of that union and is far more honest and trustworthy than Willy which makes it understandable that he would turn to her.

If only to impose his views on her?

[_Kishkumen]

Is there no historical event to which the apologists will not try to give the revisionist treatment? It's only been ten days since this story broke, ferchrissakes. How stupid do they think we are?

Unfortunately it is worse than that. It is not that they count on the stupidity of their opponents. They actually rely on the gullibility of their supporters.