Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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_Bob Loblaw
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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Drifting wrote::lol:

Yep, still official doctrine position.


But it's not racist if you don't point out specific behaviors.

Thus, it's not bigoted to say you hate Mormons.

It is bigoted to say you hate Mormons because they deny gays their basic human rights.

See the difference?

If I say, "bcspace is a moron," I'm covered because I'm not pointing out any specific behavior.
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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Hey Bcspace: Have you ever heard of the Indian Child Welfare Act?

You should read up on it and then spout your drivel. The fact that this was such a big deal in the 70's in Mormon homes, expecially in Utah, reflects exactly what Mormons think about people of color, specifically, Native Americans.

You can stretch and spin, mix and match, juke and jive, but it will never change the history of race in Mormonism

What a douche

Edited: Back in the 1970's you actually had to get a Bishop's recommend to take on a native American child in the White Enlightenment program. A family committed to turning a Lamanite into a Nephite was apparently pretty special indeed, but the Bishop had to decide who was truly worthy.
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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Rufus wrote:What a douche


I'm he's around to remind me of what the church could have cost me: common sense, honesty, and basic humanity.
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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bcspace wrote:No. In the Book of Mormon case, dark skin is part of the curse. But notice, they were not lazy or wicked because they had dark skin either before or after the curse. Hence, no racism.


This...
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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Parents can even buy racist toys for their kids.
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Laman is available in two versions. The one on the right has been cursed by God with dark skin for his wickedness.
An American Indian News media ran an article about it.
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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tapirrider wrote:I remember when bcspace linked to a racist publication. http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... =1&t=22172

I'm laughing my a** off when he said "you guys apparently don't know what racism is"


Yep. That's when we all realized that debating BC Space on the issue of racism is like debating David Duke.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:The Lamanites became lazy and would not work.

Except for the times they worked at the back-strap loom. In that particular case, they were far from lazy. With Ixchel as their patron, they produced works of art that continue to bless our planet.

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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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tapirrider wrote:Parents can even buy racist toys for their kids.
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Laman is available in two versions. The one on the right has been cursed by God with dark skin for his wickedness.
An American Indian News media ran an article about it.


That was an interesting article, tapirrider. Thanks for drawing my attention to it.
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Image
Check out the Children's Book of Mormon Stories book published by LDS Inc.

Specifically Chapter 9: A New Home in the Promised Land,” Book of Mormon Stories, 25
Towards the bottom of the page:

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Laman and Lemuel’s followers called themselves Lamanites.
They became a dark-skinned people.
God cursed them because of their wickedness.

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The Lamanites became lazy and would not work.

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The people who followed Nephi called themselves Nephites.
The Lamanites hated the Nephites and wanted to kill them.


I showed this same thing to a Mormon who I was having a conversation with. His response, "that shouldn't be there". He said he was going to write whoever in SLC and ask them to remove it. But, conversations with him were like spinning a top. You never knew what was going to be said once the spinning stopped.
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Re: Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

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"God cursed them because of their wickedness." bc's point was that "skin color is not related to any particular behavior or defect." No, it's just general wickedness that caused the curse. But that's not racist.


No. According to LDS doctrine, the key is lineage, not race. Nations, kindreds, tongues, and peoples are mentioned throughout the Book of Mormon on a regular basis, but never the term "race," a concept which it is highly doubtful would have made any sense to the vast majority of peoples (if any) in ancient times, and hence, does not appear in the Book of Mormon.

Skin color, in this case, was a symbolic marker, or outward sign of a kind of culture, and when Nephite dissenters began partaking of Lamanite culture, they took on the dress, body adornment, and other attributes of the Lamanites. Their skin color did not change, at this point, but they marked themselves in their foreheads, and altered their appearance in solidarity with their new found "counterculture."

It's OK to call a whole group of people wicked as long as you don't refer to any particular behavior or defect. That's like saying it's not misogynistic to call women stupid, as long as you don't point out something specific. They think this kind of s*** is defending the church. How stupid can you be?


Your statements are so clogged with contemporary ideological baggage that serious philosophical argument with you here is probably impossible. For people such as you, there's an "ism" and an "ist" for everything, isn't there? All the better to tar and feather those who disagree with you as beyond the pall of decent humanity, and save yourself the trouble of intellectually engaging their actual arguments, or seriously critiquing your own.

If insulting a woman is evidence of misogyny, and if dark skinned people are sinless, then it would appear that the world is made up of two classes of people: those who share in the general weakness, corruption, and fallenness of human nature, and those who do not.

Those who do not (the noble savage (eco, inner city, indigenous Third World etc.) are the mascots of the Anointed. Those who do (white males, white male Christians, Americans, Europeans (unless French), females (if and only if conservative, Christian/Mormon, middle class etc.), black conservatives, successful entrepreneurs etc.) are the collective enemies of those pure children of promise who do not.

This is the preeminent manner in which philosophically serious discussion and debate of opposing viewpoints is circumvented for mutual moral preening, and why this particular forum is so toxic.
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