Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

[_Tobin]

I see no evidence of change and reform in the LDS church. Nor have I seen an ability of the aforementioned.
H.

Now you are being disingenous. The ending of the practice on polygamy and the racist policy banning blacks from the priesthood are well-known changes for example. Many of the teachings of BY have been completely disavowed and we are seeing the teaching of men becoming God as being denied (I don't know we teach that) as well. Overtime, the Church will dispose of many of its bad practices and become more Christian. You can clearly see the signs of that in many of their statements (or because members such as myself are pushing for these reforms).

[_thews]

I see no evidence of change and reform in the LDS church. Nor have I seen an ability of the aforementioned.
H.

Now you are being disingenous. The ending of the practice on polygamy and the racist policy banning blacks from the priesthood are well-known changes for example. Many of the teachings of BY have been completely disavowed and we are seeing the teaching of men becoming God as being denied (I don't know we teach that) as well. Overtime, the Church will dispose of many of its bad practices and become more Christian. You can clearly see the signs of that in many of their statements (or because members such as myself are pushing for these reforms).

Balancing the cognitive dissonance in your head must be very difficult. You see this change as normal and encourage it. Does it make sense to you that God is perfect and doesn't screw up so change is required? As far as being "more" Christian, there are already Christian churches.

[_Yoda]

Thews, what Christian Church do you attend?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

My wife is half German and half Brazilian. She clearly knows what racism is. ;) She always knew the teachings in the Book of Mormon and CH were racist, and felt like a second class citizen compared to the Caucasians.

Apologists can spin it all they want, but the Church was and still is racist thanks to its doctrines.

- VRDRC

[_Tobin]

My wife is half German and half Brazilian. She clearly knows what racism is. ;) She always knew the teachings in the Book of Mormon and CH were racist, and felt like a second class citizen compared to the Caucasians.

Apologists can spin it all they want, but the Church was and still is racist thanks to its doctrines.

- VRDRC

Oh, please, stop being patently biased. The Book of Mormon is no more racist than the Bible. Admittedly there are parts of the Book of Mormon that were written by Nephites, who were racist. That is a common human failing, but pointing that out is instructive only. And don't forget that Samuel the Lamanite is a great counter example against the idea that the Book of Mormon is purely racist in its message.

And just because there are and have been members and leaders of the Mormon church that are racist, does not mean that Mormons in general are racists. It like saying the current African American leader of the Southern Baptists is racist because Southern Baptists supported slavery for many year. All it really means is that those people that behave that way are racists and wrong in their bigotry and should be corrected (and used as an example of how not to behave).

[_Drifting]

Tobin,

2 Nephi 5:21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

[_Tobin]

...

Try to read my actual post before quoting the Book of Mormon at me sometime. Thanks. I've actually read the Book of Mormon, believe it or not.

Oh, please, stop being patently biased. The Book of Mormon is no more racist than the Bible. Admittedly there are parts of the Book of Mormon that were written by Nephites, who were racist. That is a common human failing, but pointing that out is instructive only. And don't forget that Samuel the Lamanite is a great counter example against the idea that the Book of Mormon is purely racist in its message.

[_Drifting]

Oh, please, stop being patently biased. The Book of Mormon is no more racist than the Bible. Admittedly there are parts of the Book of Mormon that were written by Nephites, who were racist. That is a common human failing, but pointing that out is instructive only. And don't forget that Samuel the Lamanite is a great counter example against the idea that the Book of Mormon is purely racist in its message.

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How can a book written by racists using racist language not be racist?

So God didn't curse the Lamanites with a skin of blackness?
(even though the most correct book containing the fullness of the Gospel states He did)

[_Tobin]

Oh, please, stop being patently biased. The Book of Mormon is no more racist than the Bible. Admittedly there are parts of the Book of Mormon that were written by Nephites, who were racist. That is a common human failing, but pointing that out is instructive only. And don't forget that Samuel the Lamanite is a great counter example against the idea that the Book of Mormon is purely racist in its message.

How can a book written by racists using racist language not be racist?

Because the Book isn't purely about racism and it is disingenous to state that. Samuel the Lamanite is a great example otherwise.

So God didn't curse the Lamanites with a skin of blackness?

That was the Nephite's view. It certainly didn't prevent Lamanites from being saved or from being prophets even - again - Samuel the Lamanite. So it wasn't much of a curse, if you can call it that.

[_cwald]

... provided that organization can be reformed. Mormonism has been reformed in some ways, and has other ways it needs to be reformed and you can do some good (ie help your fellow man) through such an association. That is a positive influence that I can have upon it and through being a member of it.

Well I hope you're right... but they better get it figured out soon though, because the church is bleeding out.